GROUND BALANCE ( without the ground :-) )

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One advantage the practitioners of pure mathematics have over the experimenters is that they hold no prior biases. They like to play with equations every which way until something pops.

And to think this came to you in a dream!

Good luck on the field tests, I expect you will find gold.

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Four screws are missing, please put them in.

I know why you left them out, you anticipate going back in.

But she looks like a beautiful woman who is missing teeth when she smiles. Good luck.

[moodz]

... built up a new detector with the auto ground balance ready for field testing in the golden triangle in victoria, australia.

[boilcoil]

Bravo Moodz,
Good move, you thought of everything.

[moodz]

...so there is always stuff you think of "after" submitting a patent.

So I submitted an additional updated provisional patent application No 2025901098 METAL DETECTOR WITH IMPROVED GROUND BALANCE UTILISING VIRTUAL GROUND MATRIX

Now you might have a clue how it works.

[Carl-NC]

Indeed.

[moodz]

...so when you discover a fundamental technique and you are thinking about patents. Below is a serious product patent discussion ....


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[moodz]

Basically you get a square wave current with quarter-sine rise & fall.


During the transitions you get both reactive & resistive components and a strong response from ground. If your targeting response is taken only during the dead time then a ferrite response will have vanished but viscous responses will still be present. I could see that if the power-law coefficient of viscosity was constant then you could then combine a sample from the transition with a sample from the dead time to cancel any such target. But the coefficient varies so I'm not so sure this will work for all hot rocks.

This is exactly what I was working on with the White's half-sine. The patent claims omitted the GB technique because I was still working on that and it was to be a follow-on patent. That never happened.

That is the waveform I use (general form of it anyway) ... though the GB technique will work with other waveforms.
This one was chosen because it has partial di/dt = 0 and partial di/dt = sin(x) there is no need for a waveform where i = 0 for some time because this waveform does have i = 0 for an instant and that is all that is required mathematically.
Sudden transitions are very hard to sample using an ADC unless the ADC is much faster than the transition rise / fall.

[Carl-NC]

My application uses a waveform that is characterised by a half sine voltage waveform ( at both the TX and RX coil ) ... I will let you work out what sort of current waveform in the TX coil generates a half sine bipolar voltage waveform

Basically you get a square wave current with quarter-sine rise & fall.


During the transitions you get both reactive & resistive components and a strong response from ground. If your targeting response is taken only during the dead time then a ferrite response will have vanished but viscous responses will still be present. I could see that if the power-law coefficient of viscosity was constant then you could then combine a sample from the transition with a sample from the dead time to cancel any such target. But the coefficient varies so I'm not so sure this will work for all hot rocks.

This is exactly what I was working on with the White's half-sine. The patent claims omitted the GB technique because I was still working on that and it was to be a follow-on patent. That never happened.

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Hi Orbit,
I agree with you - have a lot of magic in the PI-IB region.
First, the RX signals from the targets are appr. 10 times stronger at the beginning of the TX-ON time than the RX signals at the beginning of the TX-OFF time (after delay of 3-4us in both cases) and the signals after SAT stage haves well different polarity for Fe/non-Fe targets (high-low or low-high tones). I'm sure, this is old information for you but I'm new in this area and I'm impressed from the discrimination possibilities of the PI design with IB coil.

[boilcoil]

Thank you for all support.

[Orbit]

Thanks Modz!

[moodz]

Yes voltage .. There really is a lot to these waveforms..I mean a lot of magic in the pi-ib region..

True but you have some sharp transitions there .... this is a key problem ... ADCs or sampling circuits have problems with sharp transitions as they are not NTSST ...not the same sample twice at the transition sample points ( due to jitter etc )
The presence of sharp transitions hides critical information in the magnetic circuit and if you are trying to work out a precise variable like GB then sample jitter will hide the required data.

[Orbit]

Yes voltage .. There really is a lot to these waveforms..I mean a lot of magic in the pi-ib region..

[moodz]

Hi Modz maybe a waveform like this?

Is that the voltage or the current ?

Presuming its the voltage you are saying -pi/4 to +pi/4 wave segment.