The VERY VERY FIRST VLF machine.................

[Melbeta]

Ahhhhhhhh! It will print out to a very very LARGED SIZE SCHEMATIC SHEET too.......Take the file in to a computer store and print it out by them, on a really large sized SHEET of store paper.......
I think you will be really amazied on how large it can be printed out...........
MELBETA

[Melbeta]

Now Compass Engineers, Whites Engineers, and TEK's engineers, and Charles GARRETT, used to take their company machines, and test them against the other engineers machines. They talked to each other, with techinal
talk, and explained the secrets to each other. How do I know this??? They told me these facts.....along with these FACTORY ENGINEERS, was JACK ROACH!!!!!!!! I can speak about Jack, as I have
his SECRET material as well... HE was a TOP SECRET NASA ENGINEER, who knew these engineers you see!!!!!!!!!!!

I got Jack Roach's OWN METAL DETECTOR as well stored in my basement area....... You want to see my photo of JACK ROACH's OWN MACHINE??????????? He built his own special metal detector, after
examining the other engineer's machines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MELBETA

JACK L. ROACH

SAIC

Mr. Roach has 30 years of experience in the following areas: missile defense, space surveillance, missile warning, missile crew operations, space and missile intelligence collection, development and implementation of Emergency War Orders, battle staff, nuclear positive control and coded switch programs, space launch, spacecraft command and control, mission planning, operational concept development, project management, requirements definition, system integration, test methodology development, test planning, test conduct, system evaluation, configuration management, software development, program advocacy, budgeting and programming, and Office of Secretary of Defense (OSD) oversight of Space, Helicopter, and Ballistic Missile Defense programs. He was granted the Air War College Outstanding Graduate (Seminar) in 1993 and is a certified acquisition professional, level III

Mr. Roach received his MS in business from University of Northern Colorado in 1979 (Greeley, Colorado). He received a BS in biology from Arizona State University in 1975..

HYPERLINK "http://www.manta.com/c/mtv7828/roach"Roach

company-address
446 Walter Avenue, Newbury Park, CA 91320-4347
Website: Information not found (National Security…)
Phone: (805) 445-1938
Now I want you to note those dates he was a college student, during 1975 he had already invented the Roach Metal Detector. By the time he obtained his Masters Science degree, the Roach and Semtech metal detector was history! Why? All because of the Whites V Supreme Discriminator metal detector! And he ended up, disappearing into the US Dept of Defense, and was a LEVEL III person back in 1993. Smart? You bet he was and is still.....
Melbeta
I said I personally had Jack Roach's own machine. I am going to stick in a photo of the cased Roach metal detector. It is right below........

It is stored in his own BALSA WOOD case.........Cannot run it though, it takes a special battery which I
DO NOT HAVE!!!!!!!!!! It is from the year 1977............After that, he disappeared into U.S. Military somewhere and never surfaced again!!!!!!!!
But I saw it on eBay, and bought it from someone who never released his identity!!!!!!!! ROACH??? Perhaps, but not sure myself!!!

I have no identiy but paid eBay for the Jack Roach metal detector. At the time, SEMTECH had disappeared from history too. I do have the special test made
on this metal detector though.........But not going to post the special test of it........ I also have the ONLY brochure ever printed on this detector. SEE
it shown inside the cover???????
MELBETA

[Melbeta]

I said I was not going to post the TEST that was performed on Jack Roach's Metl Sensor detector. Appears that some want to read that TEST. I put the entire amount of pages into an PDF file, so first going
to try to see if I can insert that test into the forum. If so, it can be read and also printed out I believe as it was not secured years ago.
MELBETA
Well, it arrived in the upload, now lets see if it can enter the forum. If so, then it can be read and printed out if one want to print it out.
I saved it years ago, as a PDF file, and also set it as a version 5.0 PDF file. So here we go...
Semtech 1090-SI model vs5.0.pdf
Well, it entered the Carl Moreland forum, so should be able to be examined by others. Like I said, I bought it on eBay, but when it arrived, it had NO special battery, and
I was unable to find a battery to run and test the actual metal detector. The price? It was listed for $500, but said it would take the highest offer only. So wanting Jack
Roach's own machine, I bought it for $600 cash offer. It came, no battery, so I just stored it in the detector storage area of my basement, and it is there today. So anyone
who wants to have it, can offer me $600 and take it home. It will be plus shipping charges of course too...Whoops, just looked, and I bought it for $500, so I just changed the
Semtech price to $500, plus shipping costs. You can come to my home and pay me cash, and we will just stick it into your back seat of your car, you save the shipping costs!
MELBETA

[Melbeta]

I have one DOC file, that says that Semtech ONLY MADE ONE machine, and it was a presentation model, and was presented in a wooden case. So
Melbeta owns the ONLY ONE. Paul owned TWO of the earlier heavy models........ Read that early DOC file, it is below!
MELBETA
JACK ROACH information???????

Got out today for several hours using various TR and BFO detectors, Some are extremely rare and a few are prototype models the remainder are various types. Several are modified, and are from the eighties and early nineties not really vintage but considered outdated by most.

Garrett made an extremely small BFO, Have five of them and all work well. The Spartan-175, The Workhorse, couple of Tracer's and a Prototype. Also, In the same picture upper left are two extremely rare green lunch box type Compass Klondike 64-BFO & 41-BFO models. These are super rare, Believe only about 11-13 were made before Compass switched from BFO to TR. The two shown in the picture may be the only ones you'll ever see, Copy and save this picture you may never see another Compass Klondike BFO.... Many thanks to Allan Cannon and Phil for making this possible with Phil's help acquired these super rare Compass Klondike BFO's from his good friend Allan Cannon who worked with Compass.

...And this is supposed to be about Jack Roach???
Also, Two super rare Roach Detectors and trust me you may never ever ever ever (3 evers???) see another one so save this picture as well. One of these two rare Roach detectors will soon be going to another Vintage metal detector collector, I know these are so rare might as well share one with the other vintage collector who will appreciate them as much as I do...The Roach detector may have been the first detector to have target ID both visual and audio, If not the first second for sure. These are mid seventy models believe 1974-75, Square coil too with two smaller coils inside the larger square coil and both Roach detectors do operate like they should. (now THESE ROACH machines, are the earlier models, not the SEMTECH very very very very very (5 vers?????) RARE machines...)

Tossed in one older Fisher Explorer II TR model, This was the Fisher cream of the crop of their TR back then the new coil design was more forgiven much smoother stability. But, Lost some sensitivity to tiniest finds not much though and it also lost some TR iron masking abilities.

Another great TR back then was a Compass Cue TR-1000 Automatic, Boy does it hum don't let the cheap blue plastic fool you this hotrod screams like it's big brother Compass Automatics. Only draw back is the Blue plastic design is not as strong as the Green lunch Box design Compass is famous for as the blue plastic design has some flex on the handle not much but it's there....And of course the modified Compass 94B Automatic circuit board crunched inside a Compass Hustler housing, Packed with lot's of TR power inside a tiny control box. (Melbeta has one of the Compass RARE VLF CUE models....).

Another screamer and it does scream it lungs out that be the Whites Ghost Towner TR, Another one of the many models I picked up from Allan Cannon. To be honest, I feel this Whites Ghost Towner TR may out perform the Compass 77B this screamer punches down deep. (NO it does not out perfom the Compass 77B nor the Compass 76B versions, as MELBETA has several(s) of them). How does one know what several(s) is as far as quantity??? Only MELBETA knows......And HE ain’t talking!

The Modified detectors well these are a handful from my favorites, All of them have an edge over the others one way or another. The modified CZ-3D has one of the rare CZ-DD coils, Believe only four or five were made this one being DD coil No. 2, Guess that would made this particular CZ-3D a rare model especially with the modification having the meter assembly on the handgrip with the control board underneath the arm-rest....The GoldTrax is cool, This model was way ahead of it's time when George Payne introduced different modules for the Baron series and the modification helps it swing like a feather....Couple of Compass models, AU2000 and GoldScanner Pro both modified. By the way, Dug my first gold coin with the Compass GoldScanner Pro before we had the T2 or MXT or GoldTrax the Compass GoldScanner Pro was the way to go and still to this day can hold it's own with most terrain.....

And last, Another George Payne model the Teknetics S/T. Deep demon for sure with the larger coil but now it's tamed down a bit with the Fisher DD coil, Great for gold jewelry using the tones feature and super quick recovery speed.

Maybe next month, Will gather up another few armfuls of different vintage detectors and hit the local sites again and share those as well. Paul

I had heard that Compass had originally (1969? 1970?) dabbled in BFO. But I never knew it was with THAT few productions made. I never knew anything about that period of their original startup. The only thing that ever appeared in their earliest appearances in the metal detecting mag. advertisements, was their all-metal TRs. Eg. 77b, 94b, etc.... I don't recall ever seeing an ad for a BFO from them. And I didn't know that they actually looked like their later TR's would come to look. Great story. And yes: you have rare beasts. I've never seen or heard of one in existence. And now, if your #'s are correct (on #'s produced) , then you have some rare detectors indeed ! If the hobby of vintage detector collecting would EVER take off, you'd be rich Afterall, those with the original Apple computers can now sell them for a mint to computer collectors, so why oh why can't we vintage md'r collectors command top dollar for ours? haha

As for the ghost-towner TR, I would be skeptical that it was competitive with the Compass 77b. If it's anything like the 66TR anyhow. Because the 66TR wasn't as desirable as the 77b. For some reason the 77b (and 94b auto, etc...) were just smoother, deeper, better sounding, etc.... Tom in CA

Compass did put out a great product, It wasn't until later when I started using them and even then switched over to Whites in the mid eighties. Then, back and forth Compass, Fisher, Whites a few others then it exalted from there never ending madness of trying different types.

You did well I should say extremely well not getting caught up with buying the next generation machine, Instead you hung onto the two Nautilus and Whites 5900, By the way those are great machines still have a couple of Nautilus myself and just acquired a 5900 should have it next weekend. It wasn't until later realized the 5900 was better suited for my hunting needs over the 6000, Took me years to figure that one out so I recently purchased another 5900 for a great deal. Gave my last 5900 to a local friend. The person who sold me the 5900 recently modified the unit onto a neat tee handle, Well balanced and looks pretty neat, Couldn't pass it up he gave me a super deal looking forward to using it. Paul

Tom,
Yeah, Compass first started with the BFO and from what Allan Cannon told me these two he acquired from Compass are extremely rare with only a few made. They were in new condition when I first got them from Allan, Still in the original boxes with owners manual and the upper end BFO model came with the extra larger coil.

Allan Cannon also worked with Garrett, Acquired many Garrett BFO models from Allan one of the models was a proto-type. Even acquired many BFO/TR coils from Allan one particular BFO coil was pained red and used in a treasure magazine, A couple of BFO coils are experimental coils from Garrett so those are rare too and these only operate with the proto-type BFO.

The Ghost Towner TR Allan tossed in the box was not working, But it was complete and really liked the long handle setup it sports and is so well balanced. So I ripped out the old TR guts from the Ghost Towner control box and installed a newer Whites TR version more advanced than the 66TR which is my reasoning it appears to be better than Compass 77B, Should have mentioned this above the Whites Ghost Towner TR is modified with a beefier faster deeper Whites TR.....What I will do in the near future, Take both out the Whites Ghost Towner TR and Compass 77B for a test compassion. Have a strong feeling the Ghost Towner will edge ahead, If not it'll be close between the two. Paul

With the older large lunch box type control boxes with the handle curved over, When first starting out using them they appear to be well balanced, And they actually feel great but after a while they can wear down a users arm and wrist. Trust me every time I take them out for a hunt feels great no wrist/arm stress but after a while boy my arm and wrist are ready to fall off, Starts off great but this curved handle setup will eventually wear down the user Later versions had an arm rest mounted to the end of the curved handle, Took the stress away from the arm and did help a little but with the wrist curved so much that is were most of the stress did the user in. Paul

Roach Detectors.........
Back then I remember talking to Ed Moody my Compass distributor-he'd never seen one, and thought I was talking about a 2-box. You remember the Louisiana company that made the BFO that worked in the VLF range? Vlad

Hello Vlad,
Don't remember the Louisiana company that made the BFO that worked in the VLF range, Allot of things I don't remember or never learned. Sounds interesting though, BFO to work in the VLF range sounds really interesting sounds like a neat setup.

With the Roach detector, If not the first but for sure second detector with target ID. I'll ID with a small analog meter and once set, the user determines were nickels, pennies, dimes and quarters fall truly an amazing detector back then. From what I was told by a silent partner that helped Mr Roach launch the business, Only about 300 were made that is how I acquired the first Roach detector. The second one I have will be going to Carl once I get a proper box to ship the odd shaped detector. HH, Paul

Is it a hi freq TR? Vlad
Can't remember but I'll look up the information, a nice article was written on the Roach detector with spec's, pics and such believe in 1974 or early 75 in a treasure magazine. Will dig out the magazine, post pics of the meter and how one can cherry pick out particular targets, hopefully in a few days got some free time off the next few days. Paul

Howdy Paul, I am BACK from my trip in OZ and just seen some old friends that you have and sure glad that they are in a good home and applicate your collection. If I can help you any way I will try to answer any question you or any others may have. Keep up the collection as you have some really rare jewels...best in Hunting Allan Cannon

Hello Allan, Good to see you're back from your trip, I hope with your trip to oz some yellow surfaced that be the place to go to find gold. And I'll aways cherish the lot of detectors I picked up from you, think I have about 15 of your old friends mostly BFO models and two TR's.

Their is one question on a coil, its a thick Large weird Garrett coil heavy as an anchor appears to be VLF. I'll have to dig it out and share a photo, I'm curious to find out what it belonged to so I can get the proper vintage Garrett to work with it. I'll post a picture of the coil in a day or so.

Still use many of your vintage detectors, my two favorites are the rare Compass BFO models those are so rare and only a few were made. Thanks Allan for allowing many of your vintage detectors into my collection, they are in good hands and will continue to be used out in the field. Paul

Paul, That boat anchor of a Garrett loop might of been a 12x24 co-axil loop for the 2 KHZ master hunters. Is it about 2 1/2 inches tall very similar like the 12x24 BFO loop only thicker and weights about few pounds heavier. If so then that's there first loop they made other from the 8 inch coaxial in 2 KHZ. They soon changed the frequency and went to the 5 KHZ range and then produced the 7 1/2, 10 1/2 & 14 inch concentric loops.. Did well in OZ and found some nice Yellow. AC

Thank you Allan and you're dead on that was the coil I was referring too, You have a great memory super retention down to the detail. Just dug this out a few minutes ago, Along with two of the many BFO models of yours you let me add to my collection.

I remember you mentioning the red coil for a special reason, Believe it was used in a sales add or magazine. Also, I've been meaning to ask about the blue camouflaged paint BFO model it has no model name. Was thinking maybe it was a prototype or a special model, And the red coil marked underneath with the number 288 works with this particular BFO. Other BFO coils have 455 on them and maybe one or two other have another number maybe not but for sure I do remember seeing 288 and 455.

Another neat BFO is the Tracer, You know it still works and since acquiring this Tracer from you it sparked my interest with this neat pocket size detector so I picked up four more very similar to yours but each a little different (coil size or other differences).

Every once in a while, Get tired of todays top end detectors and gather up several BFO and TR's many of them yours then hit the school yards and tot lots. Make it an all day event, Break for lunch somewhere between the hunt and hit the grass again.

Appreciate the information on the Larger coil Allan, Now the quest is on will try and locate a detector to work with this large coil. And Congrats with scoring yellow on your recent trip to oz, I've yet to find a gold nugget with a metal detector, Maybe next year have a friend who owns allot of land in gold country rich with relics. Problem is I always get locked to staying in the relic areas what I need is to venture into the tailings areas or up the dry creek areas were water has flowed down for centuries.

Thanks again Allan, If there's anything I can do or if you every need a piece of equipment please don't hesitate to ask. Paul

Paul, How is everything for you? I just came across a fisher T320 explorer in a wooden box with manuals and 2 loops & Headphones. It has been in shed for many years and don't know if it works but hope to find out if they will sell it. I see it uses the everyready 226 9 volt (2) and any batteries around? I know the Chinese was making obsolete few years ago or do I have to make a jumper? This thing looks brand new but the foam inside the box has deteriorated and made a mess. I know its a neat early 70's unit and seen some of you info on being the Cadillac dubbed by fisher. Any how hope all is well and thinking of selling my GPZ7000 so if you know anyone looking for a ZED, I will make a great deal for them. Allan C.

Allan,
All is well, Staying busy can't seen to get out for a serious hunt due to work and recently when my days off arrived it rained allot. But, Did manage to play a few rounds of golf. Started golfing again after a 18 year break, Hit a hole in one last month a first for me.

The Fisher T320 (Explorer II) you came across, Those are a rare find not too many of those surface. Have only seen about 4-5 surface on the internet, Have three in my collection and yes they do need two 9-volt batteries to power them. Had to modify mine to operate off regular 9-volt batteries, But they work and appear to last a long time with standard 9-volt batteries after the conversion. From the ligature, The transistorized circuitry TR type (balanced mutual induction bridge) operates on 87 kHz. And they actually operate very well and more forgiven much smoother stability. But, Lost some sensitivity to tiniest finds not much though and it also lost some TR iron masking abilities.

However, Guess for the average user back then this model would be more user friendly but even though it sports a wooden handle it's extremely off balanced. Fisher did a great job with this cool setup with the course and fine tune knob within fingers reach but missed the boat not adding an arm rest like they did with the earlier 1967 FisherScope M70. They hit a home run with the 1967 FisherScope M70 believe that may have been the first metal detector with an arm rest, Will enclose a picture of one of my T320 models. It too has two coils, I prefer the smaller coil and that's because it greatly helps my arm not wear out for an extended hunt. If you do pickup the T320, The battery conversion is simple if you need help please feel free to contact me.

What it really needs is some type of arm rest attached to the rear control box, Otherwise a fun detector to use but not as crisp and fast as an old Compass TR especially in an iron ridden site. This new Fisher TR model lost some masking abilities and that's because of the new advanced transistorized circuitry, And brace yourself it's an arm destroyer .

Boy, I was looking at the new Minelab GPZ nugget PI earlier this year but sprung for a GPX 5000 instead, That was because of the iron discrimination I need for relic hunting. But if I come across someone needing one will pass them to you yours is still in like new condition, I would like to get into nugget hunting but think it's too late, I hear allot of positive information with the GPZ understand some users are going back to old pounded sites getting nuggets the GPX Pi's missed. Paul

Vlad.....that Louisiana company that you refer to is Treasuretronics and they made the SST Pro Selectmatic. I believe that this was the very first detector to come out with the discrimination circuit! I was not aware that this BFO worked in the VLF range....but that really answers some questions that I have! I started with a Garrett Sidewinder BFO ans and still dabble with a Garrett Hunter BFO and a few other brands. Now saying that on most of these the depth range max is about 4 to 5 inches for coin type targets. This detector will get that same coin at about 10 inches! The SST Pro now is very RARE and very seldom come up for sale! Mine has a problem with the meter (for discrimination) but the audio sounds off loud and clear! Contacted a few owners and most have problems and do not work at all. Anyway when you mentioned the Louisiana company I knew that it was Treasuretronics. Joe (Tx)

Paul . Those garrett BFO loops is 455KHZ , this is when Garrett made about 12 units in this frequency.
D-Tex bfo's was using that frequency and Garrett was at 288 KHZ. I remember Roy Legal was testing them and they found it don't quite have the same depth as a 288khz in mineralized ground.
455 kHz was a lot more sensitive to silver foil and gold but it did not justify Garrett to change. Garrett 288 was the best frequency of the lot. Those few 455 where converted back to 288khz and you may have the last remaining one out of the 12 still at 455KHZ. When I purchased this 455 , I went to my credit union just to buy it when I was working at Garrett. The detector you are asking about in Louisiana was called the simplex. Not sure if they ever made any, but they advised it back in the early 80's and never ever seen one.
Hang on to that 455 as you have the 3X8 and single 12" and I am sure you never find another one out there, kind like a Klondikes.!!!! AC

Thsnks Allan for the 455 kHz information, I didn't know Garrett only made the 12 models having 455 kHz, incredible so my 455 model may be the only one left. Plus, I bet going to the credit union to borrow money Well, I am MELBETA you see...... to pay for the old BFO was a serious expense back then, the risk you guys took but it all paid off with all the silver to be found. The Compass Klondikes are so rare, now knowing the Garrett 455khz BFO is rare too is terrific. Thanks so much to allowing these rare detectors into my collection, and amazingly they still work! Paul

So who has any of the SEMTECH “Roach metal detectors”???? Can you say MELBETA??? HE has the ONLY ONE of them. It was THE ONE, that SEMTECH made for JACK ROACH personally. So who are you who knows this knowledge??? OH, MELBETA also used the SST Treasure Pro BFO, back in his early days, then when he got those Compass 77B and Compass 76B models, he got rid of that SST Treasure Pro. Who knows that? MELBETA knows I guess???

Yes he does know... Well, I am MELBETA you see......
MELBETA

[Melbeta]

Okay, I found the material, I had stored, regarding the Compass detector, that was during the time Jack Roach used his own designed metal detectors, to run them with the Compass, the Whites, the Garrett, and I know there
were more other brands then that he tested his with theirs.

Now I was a PRINTER's Devil, back in 1954, and I made a booklet back in 1976, that was 4 page booklet. I just found that material, and the cover sheet. Will stick it below if I can figure out how to do it.......
MELBETA
First the cover, for the early Compass "Klondike" detector.... Then will be page 1, then 2, then 3, then 4, the last page.....








Okay, not only stuck them into this forum of Carl's, but I enhanced them for extreme clarity..
MELBETA

[Melbeta]

When I posted an old sheet, showing various PEOPLE's names, some of them, and not sure which ones today, are deceased now... I am lucky I myself am still alive. I will go back into time,
and I was 9 years old. I spoke to my grandpa, the father of my mother, and I asked him how to pray. He taught me to pray, and I will stop there, as this forum does not want any thing
like I experienced to be posted. I live today on my own estate. The taxes on it keep on going up and up and up. I am lucky I can use my credit card and pay the taxes. I only use one
credit card, not going into that either. My credit card is cleared on the 12th of each month from my checking account.

The doggone spammers from China, chase me on my house phone each month, trying to gather information to steal money from myself. So I got the house phone set on ClearChoice phone, and I do not answer the phone calls, as I can see their phone number is not listed on the screen of the free ClearChoice phone. So I do not answer the phone. If their is no phone number listed, I no answer anything you see. I will use a lighter word now, "The buggers do not stop phoning and phoning and phoning me each month", even when I do not answer the phone which shows the phone caller is using an phone whitch the phone number does not show up on the screen. So I call them as what they are, "SCAMMERS", and they operate from outside the USA!!!! I will see who lasts longer, them or myself!

So far they just do not stop phoning and phoning my house phone....... If anyone has the same problem, and has found the solution, let me know so I can stop them from bothering myself!!!
MELBETA

[Melbeta]

Now that I mentioned that I possess two copies of a rare Bounty Hunter Big Bud PRO SE PLUS model, I am going to stick in this forum some of the photos I took of the one model of the BB Pro SE PLUS in the past. When I go out metal detecting, which is not very often today due to my age, I ONLY use the Big Bud Pro SE PLUS model. It works really really good! Here is the larger photo of the front of the metal detector.....
MELBETA

And I took an larger photo closeup of the SE PLUS Meter, and I will stick it here below...See the words SPECIAL EDITION on this meter????????

And I used to post material regarding the Big Bud Pro SE PLUS, on the earlier Compass Forum, and I did a PDF file some time in the past, do not have any PDF software on this internet computer,
so I do not know what was said about the SE PLUS machine, but here it is anyway BELOW... Now keep in mind, Bounty Hunter made VERY VERY FEW of these SE Plus UNITS!!!!!!! I bought
what I think was the LAST TWO of them years ago....I only used one of them, the second one is stored in my basement area.......
MELBETA
http___compass-metal-detector-forum.548136.n2.nabble.com_Big.pdf
It is a fairly POOR copy, but it a large sheet size, so I scanned it and stuck it here for you guys to study!!!!!!!! It was faint, so I darkened it a bit!!! It is right above these words guys..........
I got a copy when I bought my TWO SE PLUS units..........Now it is for the Big Bud Pro model, not sure if it covers my SE PLUS model as well. But here it is below!!!!!!!!!!!!
If anyone creates a BETTER CLEARER copy, I would appreciate a copy sent to [email protected] guys........

[Melbeta]

Now Compass Engineers, Whites Engineers, and TEK's engineers, and Charles GARRETT, used to take their company machines, and test them against the other engineers machines. They talked to each other, with techinal talk, and explained the secrets to each other. How do I know this??? They told me these facts.....along with these FACTORY ENGINEERS, was JACK ROACH!!!!!!!! I can speak about Jack, as I have his SECRET material as well... HE was a TOP SECRET NASA ENGINEER, who knew these engineers you see!!!!!!!!!!!

I got Jack Roach's OWN METAL DETECTOR as well stored in my basement area....... You want to see my photo of JACK ROACH's OWN MACHINE??????????? He built his own special metal detector, after
examining the other engineer's machines!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MELBETA

JACK L. ROACH

SAIC

Mr. Roach has 30 years of experience in the following areas: missile defense, space surveillance, missile warning, missile crew operations, space and missile intelligence collection, development and implementation of Emergency War Orders, battle staff, nuclear positive control and coded switch programs, space launch, spacecraft command and control, mission planning, operational concept development, project management, requirements definition, system integration, test methodology development, test planning, test conduct, system evaluation, configuration management, software development, program advocacy, budgeting and programming, and Office of Secretary of Defense (OSD) oversight of Space, Helicopter, and Ballistic Missile Defense programs. He was granted the Air War College Outstanding Graduate (Seminar) in 1993 and is a certified acquisition professional, level III

Mr. Roach received his MS in business from University of Northern Colorado in 1979 (Greeley, Colorado). He received a BS in biology from Arizona State University in 1975..

HYPERLINK "http://www.manta.com/c/mtv7828/roach"Roach

company-address
446 Walter Avenue, Newbury Park, CA 91320-4347
Website: Information not found (National Security…)
Phone: (805) 445-1938
Now I want you to note those dates he was a college student, during 1975 he had already invented the Roach Metal Detector. By the time he obtained his Masters Science degree, the Roach and Semtech metal detector was history! Why? All because of the Whites V Supreme Discriminator metal detector! And he ended up, disappearing into the US Dept of Defense, and was a LEVEL III person back in 1993. Smart? You bet he was and is still.....
Melbeta
I said I personally had Jack Roach's own machine. I am going to stick in a photo of the cased Roach metal detector. It is right below........

It is stored in his own BALSA WOOD case.........Cannot run it though, it takes a special battery which I DO NOT HAVE!!!!!!!!!! It is from the year 1977............After that, he disappeared into U.S. Military somewhere and never surfaced again!!!!!!!! But I saw it on eBay, and bought it from someone who never released his identity!!!!!!!! ROACH??? Perhaps, but not sure myself!!!

I have no identiy but paid eBay for the Jack Roach metal detector. At the time, SEMTECH had disappeared from history too. I do have the special test made
on this metal detector though.........But not going to post the special test of it........ I also have the ONLY brochure ever printed on this detector. SEE
it shown inside the cover??????? For some reason, I could not post it. Sorry! I use AOL to get into the internet, and since my house is stuck inside a Ponderosa TREE forest, I have to use DIAL UP TELEPHONE
LINE to get out and access the internet. And AOL has LIMITS on my membership, and it LIMITS any attachment I try to stick into any forum post as well. When I say I am posting, it means I am TRYING to
stick in something, and if AOL LIMITS IT, then I cannot post it.......I use READING GLASSES to read the posts when I write, and I missplaced those reading glasses and cannot find them right now. Only have one
pair of them, so using distance glasses and sitting back pretty far from the Monitor Screen to write this right now...........
MELBETA

[Manmoslm]

I also used to sell and use BFO machines, and did an BFO PDF booklet on many of those old units... But I enhanced it years ago, and it is very readable to read! It covers lost treasure on the ENTIRE USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well, not sure if it covered the entire USA, but if I recalll it covered a lot of the STATES....... I have it in normal copy, not the PDF copy, so copied it, and added it below...... Now this
copy was in my own DOC copy, so just copied it and stuck it below. Did a lot of enhancing of photos, but none were stuck inside this copy so far, so no enhanced photos were in this booklet copy...
I wrote under many names, and in this copy I was MAVERICK! I sold a lot of old metal detectors years and years ago, and knew a lot of the engineers of the companies...I even knew Charles Garrett, Ken White SR, Ron Mack of Compass, etc., etc..........
MELBETA


Copyright Albany Publishing
Los Angeles, CA
All Rights Reserved on photo artwork

First Edition
Author "Maverick" (Melbeta)

Copy Number ____of 100 Copies

In the 1800s, after the discovery of electricity, mankind began to create various kinds of metal locaters to find buried treasure. But these were all primitive designs. In 1874, Gustave Trouve patented an unique metal detector, designed to find bullets within a human body. In 1881, Alexander Graham Bell, in July attempted to find a bullet inside President James Garfield. The metal detector did find metal, but the metal mattress coil springs defeated the attempt to locate the bullet, and Garfield expired. Thus it was not until Gerhard Fischer, in 1925, made the first really useable portable metal detector and then patented it in 1931. The first Fisher detector was sold in 1931. In the intervening years, Fischer had become a U.S. Citizen, and changed his name to Fisher. He started the company Fisher Laboratory thereafter. While I do not have a photo of a 1925 or 1931 detector, I do have a photo of a 1936 Fisher M-Scope metal detector. Yes, it was a 2-box detector, with a wooden case. It ran using electronic radio tubes. Transistors had not been invented as of then.

After WWII ended, the United States of America, after a need to find Uranium, put forth a reward for any finder who found Uranium. This brought about a race to find a usable Uranium deposit, and a special detector, called a Geiger Counter was invented.

Kenneth White, the owner of Whites Electrons joined the Geiger Counter race, and in 1954, entered his own version of a Geiger Counter, and called it an OreMaster. In 1950s, White's Electronics founder Ken White Sr. released his Oremaster Gieger Counter, a revolutionary device that didn't require headphones as it detected uranium. The uranium market declined, but other metals were in high demand. Therefore as the Geiger Counter market was diminishing, Ken White began to target the mining industry craze. This photo is from 1950s, and is printed here courtesy of Kenneth White Sr. I have enlarged and enhanced a second photo, thus giving a better look at some of Ken Whites 1950s metal detectors that were sold back then. Now since transistors were still not invented, these also ran using vacuum tubes.
Both photos are pictured on the next page. As you can see, this is a electronics room, of Ken Whites first business building. Ken is very proud in this photo. I have enlarged and enhanced the first photo, for a greater detail view. It is pictured first for your enjoyment.


As Ken White said, metal detectors became smaller and lighter as tiny transistors replaced oversized vacuum tubes. The transistors reduced the size of the PCB technology and also required less battery power, thus beginning to shrink the requirements for battery power. This created a newer and more useable model, that could be comfortably hand-held, and more hobbyists and prospectors now had the opportunity to begin using metal detecting and began to hunt for gold, silver, coins, lost treasure, and buried artifacts. Here for your enjoyment, is a sales brochure created for Ken Whites's OreMaster Geiger Counter in the year of 1950s, shown below.


Now the 1960 OreMaster Geiger Counter, I have the advertisement for that machine. So you see, Ken White back in 1950s, was creating OreMaster Geiger Counters, and BFO detectors in 1958.

On March 19th, 1958, there was a publicity story, in the Albany Democrat Herald newspaper, telling about Whites Metal Detectors, along with engineers Richard Howe, Carl Gall, & Frank Gall, and son, Ken White Jr. While most of the article was more speculative, Ken White said he had been a hardware and furniture dealer, decided it was either furniture or electronics, and electronics won the battle, so he closed out the furniture and is full time metal detector business. Now I have now enlarged the photo of 1950s circa, cut it to size to fit into this booklet, and will now put it into the booklet, and comment on the photo. This quality of this photo was done by myself!


Okay, in this above photo, the units with two meters, on the left side, these are BFO metal and mineral detectors; the top meter indicated a metal target; the bottom meter indicates an mineral target; so basically they are discriminating between metal and minerals via the two meters. Most of the other units are either Geiger Counters, or units that detect underground pools of either oil or water. So if they worked, Ken White Sr had tapped a broad base of detectors. And this photo is of a room labeled "Laboratory". And one can see various sized wooden coils hanging and placed in the room. Why find minerals? Well magnetic black sands contain the gold nuggets, that's why!


Now for a better analysis, the above photo is of a 1959 BFO model, called Treasure Master, and it is now a single meter, showing metal target, with an metal/mineral tuner control, and this unit has a wooden coil shell. That is one coil, not two coils. And for further study, the below BFO/TR metal detector, from 1960s, , is a MS-60 model, with two meters. So the buyer had more choices.

In 1961, Whites Electronics introduced its line of IB (TR) in metal detectors, and by way of identification the meter background is then red color, and the meter background for the BFO metal detectors remains a white background. So now one can quickly identify the Whites BFO from the Whites IB (TR) metal detectors by red meter color! The first TR was a Goldmaster S63 model and the new coil being introduced back in 1960 and 1961, was the TRIPLET coil. It was a plastic housed coil, and not sure if the wooden coils were still being made or discontinued at this time.

In 1974, George Payne invented the new VLF detector, which was introduced in 1975, it was called GEB, for Ground Exclusion Balance, and was an all metal model, and was extremely sensitive, in fact too sensitive, it could see rust for corrosion in the water tests on Padre Island. So when the 1976 model was released, it was slightly scaled back as far as sensitiveness and included a new TR discriminator. It was called the Whites Coinmaster V Supreme model. It still had the Triplet coil, but in the future was coming a new coil. I have a 1976 version, which Ken White Sr updated as far as a newer coil version, and really works good. It is probably the only model in existence. But I could be wrong. Yes, mine is a brand new model, and it has the latest Series 3 coil, which never came out with the Coinmaster V Supreme model. See it below� Yes, I do think is "one of a kind" machine!!!


And here is the new Series 3 coil, which is frequency tuned for my V Supreme metal detector�

And now Whites Electronics, and its detectors, are now no longer BFO machines, but are VLF's.

Now down in Louisiana, a man named Edward Rance, created his own version of the BFO. He made it from airplane aluminum, so the weight was minimum. His BFO was a discriminator, and it used meter discrimination between good metals and trash metals. Charles Garrett reverse engineered that BFO, and came out with Garrett's own discriminator, which was also patented. Here are some photos of Edward's BFO. I owned one, and used it extensively in the Cripple Creek Mining District, and while I found lots of vintage coins and vintage relics, it had "drift" problems, and one had to constantly re-tune the beat of the frequency, when walking from sunlight into shady areas.
Here is Rance's advertisement in May 1969.


Is the adv true? Yes it is true. It really did discriminate using the meter. But like I said, it was constantly drifting in and out of frequency beat tuning all the time. That is why Rance put a fine tuning control near your fingers, so you could "roll" the fine tune knob to and fro. Was it light weight? Yes, it was the lightest detector I have swung metal detecting. Here I am using the SST Treasure Pro metal detector, in August 1973, on the beaches of California. Sorry the photo is so small, but it was taken at a distance by my wife. It did not have as much depth as the Compass Professional Yukon model, and after I tried the Compass, I sold the Rance machine, and used the Yukon, which had depth, sensitivity, and more so, it used a DD coil to get right next to the target. But lets take a enhanced look at the SST Treasure Pro machine. My Rance machine is below...


There it is. There are two knobs just below the meter. The upper one is the fine tune, which you reached with your thumb to re-tune the beat of the BFO. Right below it is the coarse tuning knob. It set the initial tune, and you put the center meter "needle" into the center of the meter. When you hit a good metal target, the meter needle deflected to the right into the GOOD area and you dug this target. If the target was bad, the meter needle deflected to the left, into the BAD area of the meter.

The machine sat on four short legs, out of the dirt. The rear of the control box, held the batteries. You removed the screws to open the battery end. It could have used an easier way to open and replace the batteries. But it was not a power hungry machine. But it had bad drift problems!


Here is the meter close-up. You first set the coarse tuning adjust, and then turned the knob under the meter, with your finger, for fine tuning of the beat frequency. To set the meter at center, there is a knob marked "C-Tune", and you turn it one way or the other way, set the meter at the .5 center location. Now it is ready to detect. To the left of .5 is trash targets. To the right of .5 are the good metal targets which you always dug up. I will now show the rest of the controls below.

Okay, here in the center, is the Off/On switch, and it also turns up the volume of the audio sound. Below that control, is the C-Tune which you turn to put the meter needle into the center .5 range of the meter. The upper control, marked Meter F, is the coarse adjust of the frequency of the BFO beat frequency. Above this control, which is not shown here, is the fine tuning adjust control of the frequency beat. Now before we leave this detector, lets take a look at the below adv photo.


I was a dealer for Ray Smith, who was the brother in law of Charles Garrett, and Ray Smith owned the National Treasure Hunters League, which is the NTHL logo. Ray Smith made this brochure for his newspaper which he mailed to his dealers and to customers each month. I enhanced the brochure, as it was not this clear or good. I reserve a copyright on this artwork. I tested this machine on the beaches of California and tested it in the mining ghost towns from Colorado to California.

Like I said, Charles Garrett reverse engineered this Treasure Pro model, and from it came the Garrett BFO Discriminator, which was much more stable and went deeper into the ground, and also Charles Garrett used a crystal part to eliminate beat frequency drift and his was drift free!

The photo on the next page, is the control view, of the first Garrett Discriminator. You can see that Garrett when he made his Discriminator, he made it Metal/Mineral, so it could be used to tune in the Mineral side, like Whites Electronics Metal/Mineral BFO. He also had a battery test, for each of the batteries, for the convenience of the customers. He also had a separate improved meter center adjust for the meter needle. And the BFO beat frequency, tuned in either metal detection, or mineral detection, and at the same time tuned in a stable fast or slow frequency beat of the detector. Was it better? Yes it was. Was it more stable? Yes it was. Was it heavier? Yes it was. Did it go deeper? Yes it did go deeper. Again, why mineral tuning and detection. Where the black sands lay in the mining regions, no matter if the black sands were magnetic nor non-magnetic, the gold nuggets found there own way into that region, and lay with the black sands. In fact, the gold nuggets would even lay deeper below the black sands, if there was room to go deeper. I found that the gold nuggets would travel below the black sands, into the clay deposit areas, and even in some cases, penetrate into the clay deposits, and even reach the impervious layers of the clay deposits, and then reside in that impervious clay deposit area. Now if you searched in All Metal mode, if the gold nuggets were deeper in the ground, they might be too deep for the metal detector to find them. But if you searched in Mineral mode, found the black sands, dug down into the black sands, even dug down into the lower clay deposits, and work that area with a gold pan, or a gold rocker, or a gold sluice, you would indeed find the elusive gold nuggets.


Now that we have seen Garrett's Discriminator, lets go further back into time, and see one of his early BFO detectors, the photo below on the right, is the 1962 Hunter detector , but was older then Ed Rance's Discrimination machines. It is the oldest Garrett photo I possess! The photo on the below left side is from the 1973 patent time period.


This was one of Garrett's "early" BFO detectors. I can say for certain it was not the first, but it was near the first of his BFO detectors. He began in 1964, which was after Whites Electronics, also after Fisher Laboratories machines. He opened in 1964, used his garage, so he used a P.O. Box as his address. Lets take a enhanced look at the control area above of one of his 1973 Hunter detector. I want you to notice, that you could select either the smaller coil, or the larger coil, which Garrett wound into one coil housing. And like I said, you could search either for metal targets, or for mineral targets. And he had a combination on/off switch with also tuned in greater or lesser volume. And you could check each of the batteries. On top was the Good/Bad meter, with the meter needle center control. Sturdy? You bet it was sturdy. A real seller it was. Very popular metal detector.


And here above, a full view, showing the machine, from controls, meter, shaft and the coil. The 1973 Hunter BFO metal detector, built by Charles Garrett. I owned a 1973 BFO, which was a Master Hunter package, and it had coils ranging from a 2" coil unto the largest coil, a 24 x 24, and housed in a beautiful green detector case. I still have that case stored in my basement. I sold the Master Hunter detector, and entire package, outside of the green case, to a customer. I loved the Master Hunter package, made up my own brochure to sell the package, and therefore here it is on the next page.

But before you go on to the next page, here is a enhanced photo, of Charles Garrett, holding his Hunter BFO detector, along with newer Master Hunter BFO machine, and a newer Master Hunter TR machine. All made with parts that matched U.S. Government contract parts specifications, as told to me by Charles Garrett in a conversation from the past when I spoke to him on a phone call.





And now, I will leave Garrett Electronics, and go to the early Compass Electronics, line of BFO metal detectors. I was also an dealer for Compass, and loved their machines as well as I loved Charlies's Garrett machines; loved Ken Whites Electronics machines; loved Fishers metal detectors, and loved Teknetics and Bounty Hunter metal detectors. I loved the Ed Rance machine, except it drifted like crazy�

Let's look at Garretts brochure, headed SPECIAL PACKAGES first, and then we will look at Compass BFO's right below, sitting on top of the shipping container!


There we see, both the BFO-41 and the BFO-64 models Compass BFO, sitting on top of the factory shipping boxes, with one 12" coil. I have enhanced all photos in my booklet for immaculate clarity so that all print is absolutely clear. The 41 model has the meter and additional controls. According to Allan Cannon, Compass representative, very few Compass BFO's were actually made. It was like around 12 or so Compass BFO metal detectors that were actually assembled and sold.

ODDS AND ENDS IN EARLY BFO'S METAL DETECTORS
We will first take a look at Bill Mahan Sr's early BFO machines. Now they pre-dated Garrett's BFO detectors, but after Garrett's BFO's hit the market, Mahan's machines kind of diminished in sales.

These came from the collections of Paul, who has a lot of vintage metal detectors. Mahan's machines are called D-Tex metal detectors. Up to when Garrett's BFO's came out, D-Tex BFO machines ruled the roost!


Now I am going to do something that has never been done before in a metal detector booklet. I am going to let the people (employees, engineers, etc) who were "in the know" about what was going on out in the metal detector sales and manufacturing world. It is hearsay from them. Not from me!

Garrett burned the midnight oil and came out with their first master hunter VLF soon after Whites brought out the V supreme. I know, due that Charlie was up in Idaho and I got to use the proto type that had a coaxial that was made out of wood. It had about a couple inch's over the Whites due to the coaxial fringe area on coin sized target's Just straight VLF and no discrimination and operated at 2 KHZ. Best damn silver detector I ever owned. not too good on nickels, gold was ok and it was replaced in a years time with discrimination and is still at 2 KHZ. You could get a white loop or one which had the orange loop. Discrimination sucked on both the whites and deep seeker. I did have a 12x24 coaxial loop too! It was a boat anchor and did not perform very well that is when Whites moved up the frequency and Garrett went with their 5.5 KHZ. It worked much better in discrimination. Then came out the Bounty Hunter RB 7 and that was a whole new ball game. Best in Hunting A.C. (Allan Cannon)

Greetings! The first Master Hunter VLF was a simple ground balance and manual tuning that sold for $329 back in late 1975-76. Whites then added discrimination and so Garrett followed and added discrimination as well with push button tuning and made it a lot more simplified while adjusting the ground balance. Discrimination was unforgiving due to the lower 2 KHZ frequency. (Note: Compass also had its own low Khz machines as well.)

Then Whites raised the frequency to the 6.59 KHZ so Garrett followed and raised it up to around 5.5 KHZ in early of 1977 in which was about the same time as the new featherweight Ground Hog 15 KHZ was released. The early 1977 Deep Seekers had red color panels. My opinion these was Garretts best deep seekers in depth in all metal and discrimination. Then the next generation was the ADS Deepseeker in which I sold my Deep Seeker to get the new ADS and was very sad do to the performance was mellowed out, but the ADS did have the mode selector on the end of the handle.

Garrett deep seeker carried over to what they called the Marksman and they dropped the price down to like $199. I always thought it was the best bang for the dollar due that these had a very powerful all metal and a lot more sensitive in the discrimination mode. When Garrett dropped the original Deepseeker that was being replaced with the new push button with discrimination they dropped the price down to $199.. Any orange co-axial loop was the 2 KHZ and they did make them in white as well. The only other loop for these units was a 12x24" co-axial that was a flop!

ALLAN C. (Allan Cannon) Former Compass and Garrett employee

Hi! Garrett wanted something different to stand out with their new detector. Beings this was their first attempt with a VLF. When I picked out my first Deep seeker, I did choose the burnt Orange coil. For Garrett, this was a trial balloon and was something different. As the white co-axial was made from day forth and I still have my ADS Deepseeker along with a Co-axial. The co-axial was wonderful for ore sampling and the original 2 KHZ had Whites CM5 beat in depth on coins by 2 inches . Between my First CM 5 and the Garrett Deep Seeker I had never found so much silver to this day. It was like a new frontier in detecting for deep coins and silver! Allan C.

Howdy AU.... Gold Mountain started out with a BFO detector in that plastic housing back about mid 70's and soon after that , Garrett purchased the Gold mountain and held it for a short time. Then Phil Stork eventually purchased the GM line and they dropped the BFO and made a clone of the Garrett 15 KHZ Groundhog. About the same time Dorian Cook left Garrett and Frank Ball and Dorian started up the D-Tex line once more. In which was the clone of the Garrett Deepseeker and Ground Hog. Also D-Tex came out with the newer concentric loop that could be change from Gold Mountain-Garrett and D-tex. This new concentric had about 1-2 inches over the standard Garrett loop at the time and I got in some trouble due that I had one of these loops on my Ground hog and Mr. Garrett didn't appreciate the fact it was a deeper seeking loop over his own coil design. Then later on Richard Ray purchased the GM line and started making the Phantoms detectors from that point. So Gold Mountain's been around the block a few times and their 15 KHZ was just as good as the Ground Hog and that is when Garrett changes the Pin connectors on the detectors and loops. Best in Hunting. Allan Cannon

Remember that there was Gold Mountain, and after a resurrection it became Gold Mountain Technologies, but with different equipment.

Most of the original Gold Mountain models were TR Disc. models, and some were VLF/TR-Disc models. Of them my favorite was the last of their run which was the Gold Mountain VIP Deluxe. The VIP came with one search coil, and the Deluxe came with a larger 10" coil included. That was how many manufacturers sold detectors back then, using a model name that noted a 2-coil package. I was selling and using the VIP Deluxe about 29-30 years ago so you can imagine what it lacked with what we have now.
Monte

Back in 1979 or 1980 the Gold Mountain Coin Finder was imported into Europe and it was one of the few machines locked into the discrimination mode that was any good. Under $100 and with a two year warranty and their 24 hour burn in test that weeded out faulty detectors. The Treasure Spy was even better for about $30 more and there was the "Eagle" as the top of that range with two coils included.

Its not going to beat the mid or top of range detectors of today but GM offered good value for their cost at the time and it would be interesting to see how it would compare against the cheaper detectors of today. UK Brian
Just wondering if any Old Die hard's out there are still using a Bill Mahan BFO detectors like the Professional, Deluxe, Standard, KoinKing or Tiny Tex? At 455 KHZ it is really bad on silver foil, but would find small tiny stuff as well. Garrett's 288 Khz BFO detectors was top notch and White's 100 Khz was OK! I still get a hankering and bust out my HUNTER or Cache Hunter and hit some bark chips and they still produce quite well for there age. Fun Hunting A.C. (Allan Cannon)

Thanks for the heads up on the Hombre, Wasn't sure if I had an Hombre so checked my Garrett collection and didn't see one. However, Do have an unmarked proto-type Garrett BFO from Allan Cannon with a painted red coil from it sure is identical to the Hombre but then many did resemble a lot back then. Alan told me this particular coil was painted red for a Garrett advertisement and If I remember right it was a special coil? It only works on this BFO and I think one other, It's marked 288 underneath the coil. Have other Garrett coils too one is marked 455 I believe, That one particular coil only works with one or two of Garrett BFO in my collection. A.C.
{Note: Manufactures and engineers made many special TEST COILS, and this 288 and 455 are test coils}. I have commented into Allan Cannons and Paul (Ca) posting here. I like to let the readers know what I know. I personally own several test coils for Compass machines and other manufacturers machines. Melbeta

Anyway, She still fires up works great and has kind of a camouflage light blue color to it. Check out the lowest of three pics, The camouflaged blue shows well in this pic, She's a beauty actually the only Garrett BFO in my collection with this cool camo (camouflage) paint. Paul (Ca)

The following machine is a Garrett BFO, the model on the left is the Mini-Hunter BFO, and it was the 2nd BFO metal detector that Charles Garrett ever made, back in the time around 1964 or so. You can see it is a simple metal/mineral BFO, without the "bells and whistle" options that the Garrett HUNTER BFO machine had to offer the customer. The machine on the right is Garrett's first BFO DISCRIMINATOR metal detector. If you notice, the early or the earliest BFO models that Garrett made, were green cases and handles, with the hand piece this particular red plastic color. I called them bicycle handle bar grips way back in the bicycle days. That was the official name back then, and I bet it is what Charlie Garrett called his too. For the readers information by the time Charlie Garrett became a metal detector manufacturer he had acquired space agency technology, and one of the pieces of equipment up on the moon, was created and perfected by Charles Garrett.










I put this brochure photo of the Bounty Hunter Outlaw model; it was not only a BFO, it was also a IB (TR) machine, and this particular coil was a Triplet coil, or what we called a triple coil back in those days. There was another coil, which was for the BFO, was smaller in size and you used it when running the BFO part of the detector. Now this coil was run on the TR part of the machine. Now this booklet, is not chronologically oriented, it is like a rolling train. As the train rolls along it goes, and this book rolls along and goes the same way. So next I am going to put in an old photo of Ken Whites early oil pool detectors. Did it work? I have no idea myself. Knowing Ken, it probably did...

Now I am going to jump into an older series of photos of BFO and TR (IB) detectors, before the age of VLF detectors. I don't know the name of each and every model of detector. So bear with me�

Now if anyone knows the names or the manufacture and models, post the picture number, and the unit from the left side of the photos. I will then revised this booklet with ID names.
MELBETA

thank you my friend
It is a book rich in motivating information and I hope that a full electronic version will be available
You are a gentleman man

[Melbeta]

Now looking above, the photo to the left, is ONE of the patios surrounding the swimming pool area, the building to the left side, is the
CABANA area, where we entertained the guests. The photo to the right, is the front lawn area walking out of the front door of my house,
and the no tree location on the left side is where the MOTEL sized swimming pool was located, but I had it removed and filled in with
dirt now, so it kind of is devoid of trees where the swimming pool was in the ground. It was 10' deep with a diving board in the southern
part of the swimming pool, and was nestled inside the forrest area of trees, but got some sun so they could lay on the lawn area on 3 sides
around the swimming pool area. It is an open to the sky part of my housing area now...... When I had the large swimming pool in the ground
everyone said it looked like a small country club area!!!!!!Today it still looks like a small country club area but minus the large MOTEL
sized swimming pool.... It is a heck of a lot less work running that large motel sized swimming pool which I had it smashed and broken up
and the concrete removed, then had dump trucks come in and dump load after load of dirt to fill in the swimming pool hole. Now I can
come out the front door, walk to the large redwood deck in the trees, sit and read the paper on the large deck. That small patio on the
first photo, is a sit and talk patio which we still used each spring and summer... The 3rd photo, shows part of the Cabana and the sit and talk
little patio, and back in the distance, where the two pickup are sitting, is part of the open yard which connects on the east side to
the old 1860s Ranch Land.... Nice? You bet your sweet bippy it is a nice place for me to relax in.........And no more working to keep the
large swimming pool clean of Pine TREE needles you see........It is paradise for an OLD GUY now!!!!!!I owned several businesses in town, and
it gives me storage areas now for the business equipment to be stored until I can see it and get rid of it all... Now the 4th photo below, shows the
large MOTEL SIZED swimming pool, on the right side, with fruit and Ponderosa Pine TREES to the south of the swimming pool area. Later I had
it all removed and dirt put into the swimming pool area. Paradise? It was for me Paradise. Just was too much work for an older guy!!! That is the
entertainment CABANA on the left side of the 4th photo. It has an pool table inside the Cabana, and lounging sofa couches and tables to dine
on. It is all complete except the inground MOTEL sized swimming pool is gone today. Still is nice to entertain on the super large front deck!!!

So today, I still live in Paradise, except no MOTEL sized swimming pool outside the Large entertainment sized CABANA building, with large
kitchen in the cabana and two oversized large double car sized garages attached to the other side of the Cabana building.......
In the front large oversized deck, is an fire pit, where we can still sit and enjoy the fire in the fire pit! The main house has 5 bedrooms,
3 bathrooms, two FAMILY ROOMS, two KITCHENS, and two oversized double garages, rear deck the length of the house! Which one?
I use some of the extra garages for storage of business things... Entertainment? The grandkids love to come here...... Like I said, it is Paradise
to live here. Appraised for 2 Million, and no loans on it! It is Paradise, to live clear of debt and relax here where I live...
MELBETA

[Melbeta]

In the past, I wrote a 23 page booklet, covering Lost and Buried Treasures IN AMERICA, Not sure if it will fit and go into this forum though.
Now it is on America, not the world... But I will try. Ahhh! It went in. I was a Printer's Devil in the past, and I designed the covers too!!!
MELBETA
LOST TREASURE IN AMERICA_S_NP_001.pdf

[Melbeta]

Years and years ago, I used to write booklets, never liked the bound thick books myself. I wrote and self published around 300 to 400 years and years ago. Now I am in my
90s of age, so based on that, my memory is not so good. It is good, but not good enough to do what I used to do when I was younger. Since my memory was good, but
due to my advanced age, was not that good. I was checked out, and doc said I had Short Term Memory Loss. It is not Dementia, but old age. Now I work still, go outside
and work like I think I am young again. But know I am not young again, but am in top shape for my age.

I go out, and rake the pine needles up into small piles, then get an empty barrel, it is plastic so not that heavy, use a short handle pitch fork, and fill one barrel at a time,
walk down to the cul-de-sac, and dump on my little hay stack pile. So wehn I get empty barrels, got a bunch of them down there, I take my pitch fork, walk down there,
and dig and fill the empties. It is a little exercise for an very old man. Am in excellent shape, only problem is oldmemory problems.

Now in the past, I wrote all kinds of booklets, and self published and sold them. Today I do not need the money, so give them away free. Now back in time, knew Ken White
SR, never met him, but knew him by telephone calls. He was one nice guy to me. Would always talk to me when I asked for him by phone. I wrote his story, because I was
working on Ken White Sr's booklet, which I have in .PDF file format. Not sure what I put into that story now, as it was years ago.. But anyway, I wrote it back in the year 1958, and
I attached it below, it is a .pdf file, so cannot read it to see what I said in it, but I think it is related to an .Doc file that I did read and I liked reading it......... Anyway it is attached
below and I think it is with the photos in it.... If I put it in .Pdf format, it should have the photos in it as well...
MELBETA
1958 Ken White story.pdf

[Melbeta]

I got a giant map, shows each state, and in it has gold placers in it, it is inside this map. Now I got it on an PDF file, and since I bought the map,
it is enhanced and secured. Be content that you can download and see it.....But you cannot print it out now........It is toooo large to stick inside
this forum...

Over my second computer, I have a giant sized VINTAGE MAP of the State of Colorado. I took some older vintage BARN wood, and made
the framework for that old map. Everyone who comes into my computer room, looks at that vintage map and comments on it. I collect vintage
maps of each state in America, and used to scan and sell copies of those vintage maps...Those were the "good old days" you see!!! I used
to use the old maps myself, and found places old small towns had been, and were then gone into history. So I detected them and found vintage
relics which I still own and possess, got them stored in my LARGEST GARAGE building....... Who am I??? I am MELBETA you see!!!!!

Now the vintage maps I collect, are stored on vintage flash drives!!!!!!!!!! And as I got each vintage map, I enhanced most of them to make
them CLEARER, and BETTER!!!!!!!!!! I even wrote an old book, on my family........ BELOW, is an old map from 1881, on the city
north of my house, called DENVER!!!!!!!! I enhanced this old map, and what I really enjoy is the vintage photos on those maps...
Now in 1881, DENVER was a small city...........This map contains PURPORTEDLY, every house in DENVER!!!!!!!! Is it factual???
Who knows??? Not me!!!!!! I just collect and enhance them........If I get time, and I am there, I use those old maps to go metal
detecting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I take them to an computer store, stuck lots of extra pixels in them, and have them printed for me at those
computer stores on giant sized sheets of white paper... Expensive? Not really!!!!!!! But are really great to use detecting!!!

But IMagine this!!!!!!!!! It gives me an EYE FULL of HISTORY to use metal detecting an area!!!!!!!!!!! Yippie ki yea!!!!!!!!!!!! Every
tree, every house, every business, every street, every road.........Places back IN TIME, and most are GONE TODAY!!!
MELBETA

[Melbeta]

Remember, I was a PRINTER's DEVIL back in 1954........What I did back then, I do with COMPUTERS today......... So when you look
at that old MAP ABOVE, remember what I just said.....I take my images to a local computer store, and have them printed there ON
LARGE SHEETS of PAPER!!!!!!!!! Not kidding!!!!!!!!!!!! When I go detecting, my metal detector is loaded like with rifle bullets!!!!!!!!!!

I am known as an HISTORIAN!!!!!!!!! That is my bullets. I got a large library out in my giant garage building!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And I have
a PILE of LARGE SIZED SHEETS of PAPER TOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My house and
garages, I could call them museums!!!!!!!!!!!! But alas, only myself gets to see them........

Now I only get them printed on large sheets, WHEN I NEED THEM... Otherwise, they are stored on Flash Disks and CD ROM Disks!
MELBETA