GPX4500/GPX5000 question

[satdaveuk]

Just to put my cents worth in.... I buy and have bought many hundreds of components from overseas asian countries, and todate have not experienced any faulty or counterfit parts.
I think alot of common sence is required when buying items such as metal detectors, when such manufactures that are mentioned above, made and produced in the united states then been offered for sale in overseas countrys for a fraction of the price should be ringing alarm bells, You dont get anything for nothing in this world.
I find it hard to believe that all detectors from China are crap, because they have main sources for hi-tech hardware and software together with some very clever engineers, by putting the three together you have some very serious equipment.
Problem is sorting out the real deal from the boys trying to make the quick bob, which means they need to work very hard on marketing and get kits over here for people like you and me to try, then we can voice are opinions and give true and honest opinions, instead of blanketing it all as crap counterfit.
Spares such as semiconductors can be exspected to be alot cheaper as there often manufactured in these countrys, and the fact there getting shiped over as gifts etc we are not paying import duty, vat etc as would be the wholesalers that are obtaining them for business purposes.
All the best
Dave

[Funfinder]

You're absolutly right, satdaveuk.

And of course industry nations have higher standards, loans,
taxes, security orders and general costs of living.

And not all products that are made in such countries are really super
high or reliable quality. As example I never had TV oder VCR "made
in Germany" because Japan was much better for such products.
My japanese TV from 1991 still works.

And not every person in this world is so rich that it can spent
5000 bucks for a metal-detector. Guess in China besides clay vases
also alot other antique stuff can be found - and alot chinese
treasure hunters will be happy if they can get a detector for far
less than it would cost them an imported product from overseas.

And btw. "China" is everywhere - at least everywhere in the world
where people sell chinese products. All the beautiful holiday places
around the mediterranean sea - full with chinese t-shirts and watches.

Or what is with software-piracy? In earlier times China provided
"1000 Games in One" cartridges for video game consoles (NES etc.),
Playstation Game CDs and cinema movie disks but today the whole
world or whole internet works with not so really legal bits and bytes.

Where a market is always piracy was near and the pirates even
transportet illegal stuff for "white jacket dealers" over the big seas.

The first world gives alot money to China - the old economical game
of supply and demand.

Personally I would love if Japan finally starts to produce some MDs.
They really provide highest electronic and digital product quality
and there are great inventors in this country. Anyway, China has
to be seen from 2 or more different angles:

As a good business partner for many if not all other countries,
an industrial site where things are possible that are somewhere
if not everywhere else are impossible and a land that can produce
all kind of things: from totally crap to high quality hitec standard!

[WM6]

At least his surname is Wang,

I still have fully working Wang 700 Programmable Calculator Product of Wang Laboratories (not from China). It has interesting RAM build out of small ferrite toroids magnetised by wire trough.

[satdaveuk]

Im suprised there isnt more stuff like MDs coming out of South Korea, there ability is second to none, they have everything there including some of the best engineers in the world.
Was a main dealer for samsung and LG for many years and for price,servicing and quality they were untouchable, streets ahead of alot of main stream manufactures, they were the people who brought your LCD TVS to the market place infact people like Panasonic still use there engine.
Its proberly due to the fact TVS etc are brown goods , used by almost all households where as MDs are sport/hobbie specialist market.

Regards

Dave

[Funfinder]

South Korea quality also is very good like Japan,
but for shure not Samsung or LG (Gold Star).

But don't take this personally satdaveuk,
I'm shure you made a good and correct job there.

The new cell phone and mp3 player branch of Samsung is OK,
but still not that high quality as it should be (bad accu time etc.).

Samsung as example has it's production plants also in
Poland and Hungary and they produce like LG some of
the cheapest and worst stuff. DVD players with bad lasers
and many more annoyances.

For the poor people a "nice" deal to get such things at all
and with 1-2 years of warranty but for shure no high quality
like real known brands like Philips, Sony etc.

There exists a saying: I have no money to buy cheap stuff!
Or: Who buys cheap will buy expensive in the end.

[Qiaozhi]

There exists a saying: I have no money to buy cheap stuff!
Or: Who buys cheap will buy expensive in the end.

Actually, the correct saying is:
"Buy cheap, buy twice".

[Funfinder]

Yeah, but perhaps no more or NEVER again
ANY product from that same bad brand.
I really avoid to buy LG or Samsung products -
too much errors, failures and other bad stuff.

And alot think the same about China!

For luck the technical development in some fields
are that fast that someone must by not just twice,
but many times - best example: mobiles.

And of course technical interested or even electronical
skilled persons (like alot of us) have the advantage
to be able repairing alot stuff - even chinese "crap".

Some of those products are more like a joint-venture:
Those produce and sell them cheap and the person
who buys it has to repair or improve it by it's own.

This starts already with 1 buck CD-cases where you
have to remove the already lasered but not yet
detachted plastic-foil by yourself sometimes.

A little bit work for everyone but at least not a poor chinese
woman or kid has to do thousand times this annoying work.

But what's not good is to create such "real looking" copies
like those above Pseudo-Minelab. That's just for persons with
the need to pretend: "Look, I have a (faked) Rolex or one of
the most expensivest detectors".

[mario]

These are fakes.

Don't chance it, they will not perform as the real things.

Don't expect a warranty from Minelab if you buy them!

[kt315]

I really avoid to buy LG or Samsung products -
too much errors, failures and other bad stuff.

you are hooked on the word. those are the chips into jeohunter, as we see the chips are SAMSUNG.

[Funfinder]

kt315,

don't combine things that has nothing to do with each other!

A computer chip NEVER fails if you treat it the right way,
but the combination of bad gears, bad lasers, bad write-lasers,
bad soldering contacts, bad quality plastic, stupid ideas,
stuipid PCB layout ideas, possibilities that shortcuts or other
"could happen events" destroy something even if it would be
possible to create circuits with fail-save security on it etc.


At least you showed to the world again the huge amount of
computer chips the Jeohunter has and needs inside - btw.
this collage-picture was taken by me.

If you buy a copper-wire from some 3rd world country do
you expect it will fail? For shure not - the consistence or
structure of such product has not the complexity to fail.

kt315, you have no idea about economy!

German high quality cars are built and constructed in Turkey or
China. But: it is not complete China to blaim, but certain low
quality companies that produce sh*t, that wanna make the
big money by cheap low cost products, and we can find them
all over the world.

What counts is the overall performance, quality and reliability
and not certains parts:

Alot Samsung or LG devices use all kind of chips, not just own brand.

I hate guys like you kt315 that dig for "pseudo justifications" or
"proofs" that in reality nothing have to do with the whole thing.

You are just an evil hunter for indications that seems to
justify your own stupid opinion but nothing more.

Of course without success, as I have explained understandable.


I hate to say this, because it throws a bad light on this whole forum,
but after the LRL section was sorted out I guess it is much better:


Here are too many tech. nerds that live in their dream-reality!

How naive must be a loser that can't proof if a LRL really works?
For me I can test this childs-toys within seconds! But those guys
are fanatically as if they would believe in their own invented gods!

Go and get some glass-mirror from Venice and try to look into the
mountains to locate gold-veins, all you medieval stucked freaks!

[satdaveuk]

Yeah, but perhaps no more or NEVER again
ANY product from that same bad brand.
I really avoid to buy LG or Samsung products -
too much errors, failures and other bad stuff.

And alot think the same about China!

For luck the technical development in some fields
are that fast that someone must by not just twice,
but many times - best example: mobiles.

And of course technical interested or even electronical
skilled persons (like alot of us) have the advantage
to be able repairing alot stuff - even chinese "crap".

Some of those products are more like a joint-venture:
Those produce and sell them cheap and the person
who buys it has to repair or improve it by it's own.

This starts already with 1 buck CD-cases where you
have to remove the already lasered but not yet
detachted plastic-foil by yourself sometimes.

A little bit work for everyone but at least not a poor chinese
woman or kid has to do thousand times this annoying work.

But what's not good is to create such "real looking" copies
like those above Pseudo-Minelab. That's just for persons with
the need to pretend: "Look, I have a (faked) Rolex or one of
the most expensivest detectors".

Dont know what experiences you have had with samsung, but I for was selling and servicing there equipment for over 35 years together with other manufactures, and the equipment was very reliable, and technical backup was second to none, spares were very reasonable price and quickly obtained from them.
Service manuals were automatically sent to me as new products hit the market, all free may I add.
I will add though if you have not got a direct agency with these manufactures, they dont want to know, which I think is a positive because it keeps the cowboys out of the trade.
Tell me funfinder what gave you the impression that samsung LG are crap because theres nothing further from the truth in my opinion with 35 dealership to back me up.
Regards
Dave

[Funfinder]

satdaveuk,
the answer is simple - this stuff most of the time is not good enough!

The quality is not that good as it has to be, those firms have to
find cheap working countries where the production is not that
good as it has to be, those products are lacking of absolutly
needed features and technical details (capabilities, compatibility).

The LG-BluRay Player as example had no Cinch Out, only HDMI.
Thats why I didn't bought it because I hate
products with all kind of limitations!

"It's not so important, so we let it be!" but this is the wrong motto!


But seen as a whole picture "technical perfection" has nothing to
do with worldwide know "high quality" brands but with the special
knowledge, power and geniousity a company has.

As example there exists Sat-Receiver brands that almost
nobody knows but their quality is extremly good and the features the
products have, beats all the feature of the well known brands.

The same is with certain metal detector producers - they are not
that "famous" as Garrett, Whites, Minelab or Fisher but much better!
And even the price is much better!


The main problem is the following:
If someone buys something he don't wanna get trouble with this product.

Trouble occures if parts get broken "out of no recognizable reason",
wear out very fast, have not the needed standard features, contains
already hidden errors by default, break already if you touch 'em just
by your fingertips or contains problems that no one has told before!

Another very unethical topic is the cooperation of those companies
with cell phone providers and their asocial end user contracts.

LG or Samsung - seen from the intention of their owners, chiefs
and managers for shure is not to blame - they want to create
useful user electronics for a good price, but the whole machinery
behind creates in the end "failures" that are simply not acceptable.

"Create something real good or create nothing at all!"

Should be the principle of all those that are producing something.


btw. this is the same with rock-music!

They should stop finally to create millions of songs where
every single one sounds exactly the same as songs 30 years ago!
And the best of all: They want to became famous with that crap.

I just can repeat:
Avoid to buy Samsung or LG, you only will have problems with
this unreliable stuff. Believe me.

[satdaveuk]

satdaveuk,
the answer is simple - this stuff most of the time is not good enough!

The quality is not that good as it has to be, those firms have to
find cheap working countries where the production is not that
good as it has to be, those products are lacking of absolutly
needed features and technical details (capabilities, compatibility).

The LG-BluRay Player as example had no Cinch Out, only HDMI.
Thats why I didn't bought it because I hate
products with all kind of limitations!

"It's not so important, so we let it be!" but this is the wrong motto!


But seen as a whole picture "technical perfection" has nothing to
do with worldwide know "high quality" brands but with the special
knowledge, power and geniousity a company has.

As example there exists Sat-Receiver brands that almost
nobody knows but their quality is extremly good and the features the
products have, beats all the feature of the well known brands.

The same is with certain metal detector producers - they are not
that "famous" as Garrett, Whites, Minelab or Fisher but much better!
And even the price is much better!


The main problem is the following:
If someone buys something he don't wanna get trouble with this product.

Trouble occures if parts get broken "out of no recognizable reason",
wear out very fast, have not the needed standard features, contains
already hidden errors by default, break already if you touch 'em just
by your fingertips or contains problems that no one has told before!

Another very unethical topic is the cooperation of those companies
with cell phone providers and their asocial end user contracts.

LG or Samsung - seen from the intention of their owners, chiefs
and managers for shure is not to blame - they want to create
useful user electronics for a good price, but the whole machinery
behind creates in the end "failures" that are simply not acceptable.

"Create something real good or create nothing at all!"

Should be the principle of all those that are producing something.


btw. this is the same with rock-music!

They should stop finally to create millions of songs where
every single one sounds exactly the same as songs 30 years ago!
And the best of all: They want to became famous with that crap.

I just can repeat:
Avoid to buy Samsung or LG, you only will have problems with
this unreliable stuff. Believe me.

I can only speak of Samsungs security ie CCTV and brown goods ie TVS videos as ive not supplied or serviced any of there other ranges.
However Samsungs brown goods and security equipment range from very basic to very high specification but never faulters on the quality of its productions.
It wasnt that long ago maybe 12-15 years that samsung produced and sold world wide a VCR that was the only true multistandard system on the market ie it would work anywhere in the world, the price tag back then was around £1,250 + vat trade, I only ever sold one to a young man in the british royal marines thats why i remember the price, in those days we used to put on 25% mark up.
Mitsubishi did one also at that time but it was not a true multistandard although it was badge as such, i know this because I also had a dealership with them.
Now at that time Samsung also manufactured a 4 head domestic machine which i could sell out for £249 which was equally as reliable, the main deck mecs was identical less the extra circuitry needed, I sold thousands of them, even used them for covert CCTV setups which they were never designed for, those were floged to death 24hrs a day and still they kept going, and customers were coming back and buying more of there products, the proof is in the pudding.
So putting it in a nut shell with samsung far as there products ive personaly had experience with just because you buy cheap model doesnt reflect the quality at all, you pay more for extra facilitys period.
Something to keep in mind, any electrical products that you buy anything from a electric toothbrush to a all singing dancing triplex multiplexer recorder, is only as good as the dealer you bought it from, the backup service is a reflection on the product if needed.
If you go and buy a TV or metal detector from a super market thats also selling fruit and veg, or some shark fly by night selling on ebay and then you have problems, dont go knocking the manufacture first off, first of all blame yourself for been so stupid enough to buy it from these people in the first place just to save a couple of bob on the price, then you can blame the manufacture for supplying them the products in the first place.
If you had bought a samsung or any product from me I would have gone through the product range with you, explaining what specification you were getting for your money, then it would have been narrowed down to what you actually wanted and required, and then after that if you had problems it would have been sorted instantly either repaired in and out of garantee or you would have had a replacment, eitherway you would of been a happy chappy and you would have been looking at samsung in a different light.
So the golden rule is when buying exspensive equipment buy from a well established business with dealship for the products they sell and service facilitys to back it up.

Actually go back no more than 25 years ago with the likes of grundig, hitachi mitsubishi, samsung, toshiba, sony, philips ,panasonic, salora, pace, technsat, almost any propriety brand unless you had proper workshops together with at least one radio/tv high street retail shop, you wouldnt of got the dealerships in the first place, so there was know rogue traders or fly-be-night boys as such, if anything leaked through via buying groups the business involved would be struck off.

These days you can set up shop with no technical no how and the manufactures will be queing at the door for you to sell there products, yes even metal detectors, all major brands from the well known big boys to the not so well known, and if theres is any faults accure , there shiped back to the manufactures, what is this world coming to, your buying hightech kit that can run into thousands the same as if you were buying a sack of potatoes.

Regards
Dave

[satdaveuk]

you are hooked on the word. those are the chips into jeohunter, as we see the chips are SAMSUNG.

Yes and interestingly enough wonderer how many of those chips actually are produced by the manufactures stamp that on them, put money down now bet most are made in china or korea, texas instruments USA make thousands of chips but i bet a pound to a peace of dung that they dont actually manufacture all there chips, its all wheels within deals.
These days you can have your own stamp put on anything if theres enough money involved.
Theres a manufacture of security equipment in Hong Kong which ive had dealings with in the past, good value well made equipment with no outlet here in the uk.
They offered me sole dealership for the uk, and if willing to buy fifty multiplex units in one go they would would put my badge and logo on them free of charge, unit prices around £500 a time.
Interesting isnt it
Regards
Dave

[aojieage]

I regret the Chinese produce fake!