large mass detection system and cavities with a manufacturing model and rendering 2D.

[kt315]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Duchy_of_Lithuania

[kt315]

What is this with russian vs. ukrainian? Is russian language a dialect of ukrainian?
Afaik Ukraine was first and larger populated (the Kiev Rus etc.)

modern Ukraina territory was under Velikoje Kniazhestvo Litovskoje (princedom) consisting modern Poland, Lithuania, Belaja Rus.
Moscow was by a part of Gold Orda, the mongool tatars territory from Moscow to far East.

[Bigstarman]

Wow! I didn't answer... sorry.

What is this with russian vs. ukrainian? Is russian language a dialect of ukrainian?
Afaik Ukraine was first and larger populated (the Kiev Rus etc.)

You are absolutely right.
History confirms this..

Maybe I will visit Kharkiv directly if the winter is over because there also is
a metal-detector shop and there is alot WW2 stuff to find inkl. hot: "Dzhengis Khan girls"!

Ukrainian girls often are an interesting and lovely mixture of "wild nature babes".
I can watch them all the time by Satellite-TV and listen to their songs.

Haha! I thought you would be interested in the treasure.
Ukraine is in the ranking for one of the first places in Europe. There is information that was found less than 3% of the treasures on today.
A lot of interesting still lies in the ground and waiting for its new owner.
When will be your arrival in Kharkov, whistle for me. We the people are friendly. Organize your visit to fill Ukrainian gorilka and feed the peasant lard.

[Polymer]

Hello Funfinder,

I am catching up with replying, finally.

Thank You very much for your detailed answers and explanations in Post #20 !
I have learned a lot through your post.
I like the way you explain, because I get a good picture in my head about what is happening. Cheers for that too .

I do sometimes have empty holes, but only because I dig to fast and the "beep = gold? " treasure has gone flying about like a bird
and I have to look in the area again

Thanks Again, Polymer

[Funfinder]

thx for the good info, Bigstarman.



You really must see these 2 movies with the ultimate best GPR ever - just for inspiration:

El Dorado - Part1 - Temple Of The Sun (2010)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1789254/

El Dorado - Part2 - City Of Gold (2010)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1789255/

What is this with russian vs. ukrainian? Is russian language a dialect of ukrainian?
Afaik Ukraine was first and larger populated (the Kiev Rus etc.)

> Kharkiv - Ukraine Language

thx and good to know so we call it Kharkiv because it is Ukraine - even if its close the border.
btw. a near person of me already was there to built wooden block houses etc.

Maybe I will visit Kharkiv directly if the winter is over because there also is
a metal-detector shop and there is alot WW2 stuff to find inkl. hot: "Dzhengis Khan girls"!

Ukrainian girls often are an interesting and lovely mixture of "wild nature babes".
I can watch them all the time by Satellite-TV and listen to their songs.


Back to treasure-hunting:
A problem is that first alot finds have to be removed to make the way free for deep or even cavity stuff.
Of course this is mainly the situation in open and wide sites like battlefields, woods, deserts etc.

At buildings with walls or hidden rooms a GPR even can be the only way to see
if there is anything interesting behind bricks or stones without destroying the whole structure!

Best would be a combination of sensitive nonmotion-metal-detector (70cm coil minimum!!! )
with GPR inclusive high informational LCD screen output.
But meanwhile the computer-software gets better and better each year.



> they found less than 3% of the buried treasures in Ukraine

Absolutly if not even fewer - and perhaps just 0,005% of all the lost and interesting stuff.

Someone first must tear down whole cities, churches, temples and other buildings to get all
the buried stuff inside those structures or below !!!!

Often there are huge secret rooms or tombs below "sacred" buildings full of gifts for the afterworld
which are built to be protected this stuff and closed for "all eternity".

concerning the Amber-Room:
There exists lists and forums for the "black workers" (so called treasure-hunters @ Russia etc. )
which are the main interesting locations for searching. One also is about the Prussia-Treasure -
this was the formerly culture of Preussen (northern-east Germans and Goths) which later
populated Koenigsberg and St. Petersburg, perhaps even Moscow.


Alot rivers and lakes also bear a huge amount of sunken stuff - some of it was sunken intentionally
so nobody ever should find it again.



There is alot to find and the good thing is that we are the technical and treasure-hunting
very experienced and hopefully highly motivated persons so our chances are pretty good!


The best thing of the Easy-Rad is that it shows live and good viewable all the signals! So someone
can start directly digging! No boring many days during magnetometer-grid-scans of 1000s of squaremeters.


And that it goes very deep so treasure-hunting even through 50cm deep ukrainian snow would be
no problem if the digging tools are heavy enough! Some mini-excavator for example while
drinking Vodka and driving through the battlefields in the middle of the winter-time!

[Bigstarman]

When I should go to Ukraine or Egypt for treasure-hunting I will buy the Easyrad.
btw. the ukrainian Easyrad comes from Kharkov - on the homepage its a 380 code for
ukrainian mobile-phones and not the usual number-pre-code +38 for Khmelnytskiy (UA).

http://www.easyrad.com.ua/index.php?r=opis_en

<title>EASYRAD, Харьков, Украина, Kharkov, Ukraine</title>

The area there is a good location for treasure-hunting and its big enough for alot other cool things!

bigstarman, do you know the real correct name of how the people of Kharkov call their city???
Because it has 6 different names in the TV-News : Kharkov, Kharkiv, Tsharkov, Tsharkiv, Sharkov and Sharkiv.
I guess for Russia its called Kharkov while for the Ukraine and Europe Kharkiv - but I'm not 100% shure.

Hi, Funfinder.

The ukrainian Easyrad comes from Kharkov.
Historically, Kharkiv residents speak two languages - Russian and Ukrainian.
Kharkov - Russian Language
Kharkiv - Ukraine Language

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kharkiv

The Easyrad also would be of great help to find the mysteriously vanished Amber Room (Янтарная комната) or traces of it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Room

Oh, I know a few colleagues who are searching for the amber room using Easyrad GPR. I wish them much success. ))))))))))

At some old cellars and castle bunkers or other hidden cavities and tunnels.
And for treasures which are buried inside of walls, trees, statues, below altars etc.

Some charts tell us that they found less than 3% of the buried treasures in Ukraine. Lots of treasures found deep in the earth. Searching for them need a good deep devices.

[Funfinder]

hi bigstarman

thank you for the picture, it looks very good! Also the 8 meter depth is amazing.
I was already as a child an interested cave-explorer and even have leaded tourists there!

For cavity the Easyrad really seems to be the best detector for an accaptable good price
and even better than magnetometers with their color-spots on the screen.
But maybe it should be combined with a magnetometer for even more details.


When I should go to Ukraine or Egypt for treasure-hunting I will buy the Easyrad.
btw. the ukrainian Easyrad comes from Kharkov - on the homepage its a 380 code for
ukrainian mobile-phones and not the usual number-pre-code +38 for Khmelnytskiy (UA).

http://www.easyrad.com.ua/index.php?r=opis_en

<title>EASYRAD, Харьков, Украина, Kharkov, Ukraine</title>

The area there is a good location for treasure-hunting and its big enough for alot other cool things!

bigstarman, do you know the real correct name of how the people of Kharkov call their city???
Because it has 6 different names in the TV-News : Kharkov, Kharkiv, Tsharkov, Tsharkiv, Sharkov and Sharkiv.
I guess for Russia its called Kharkov while for the Ukraine and Europe Kharkiv - but I'm not 100% shure.


The Easyrad also would be of great help to find the mysteriously vanished Amber Room (Янтарная комната) or traces of it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Room

At some old cellars and castle bunkers or other hidden cavities and tunnels.
And for treasures which are buried inside of walls, trees, statues, below altars etc.

Here a movie in english language plus subtitles about relics and bunkers of 2WW in Ukraine:
(right click save as)

http://www.nuclearflower.com/serpentswall_chunk_1.avi

http://www.nuclearflower.com/serpentswall_chunk_2.avi

http://www.nuclearflower.com/serpentswall_chunk_3.avi

http://www.nuclearflower.com/serpentswall_chunk_4.avi

http://www.nuclearflower.com/serpentswall_chunk_5.avi

@ Polymer
Thx for your interest and I hope you don't dig empty holes because metal-detectors give wrong signals.
Nice workout but bad for finding real treasures!

In such a case the problem is the scale from where the zero-point of the detection starts and
with what signal the different EM-field values are outputed.

Per example it would be easily possible to output not only 3 or 5 different tunes for metal values but
also additional for different ground mineraliziation conditions.


But back to your question:
The term "ground mineralization" simply is wrong - it should be named as ground metalization.

In fact every stone is high mineralic because it consists of 100% minerals.
But not every stone is metalic, magnetic or even contains ore veins.

Many red, green and blue rocks contain metal-combinations while quartz for the metal-detector is like glass -
as long as its pure and doesn't contains any metallic inclusions.

Limestone in the form of marble or very old pressed loam with sand also can contain "metal-minerals".
But real high-"mineralic" loam is a mixture of the fine sands of highly metalic stones.
At the ukrainian Easyrad page you can see the following values for lime-stone:

Environment

Specific Dielectric Constant, ε

Specific Conductivity, σ [mS/m]

Radio Propagation Velocity, [m/ns]

Attenuation, [dB/m]

Lime Stone

4-8

0,5-2

0.12

0.4-1

But there exist alot different kinds of this material - see wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limestone

Even organic stuff like tree-roots can have a high metalic-value while usually all the organic stuff is pretty low-mineralic.

Also blood contains iron but in such case the value is far too low for being detected with MDs!
But perhaps heavy-metals have been concentrated in the bones and then they became detectable if the amount is high enough.
Or if they had some implantation-surgery before....

Technically seen it has to do how easy can penetrate the EM field through different kinds of chemical substances.

The more heavy-weight the less good. Even light gets darker if it shines to 20cm thick glass.
But this means it also depends on the crystal structure of the mineral and with what its combined
concerning how good can pass the EM-waves through or not.

Very disturbing for metal-detectors are regions with fast changing conditions, no matter if caused by little
nails every 40cm on the surface, loam-pockets or huge hot rocks every few steps 1m below the ground.


A spot where a cheap conserve-can has been rusted to powder after 30 years is almost the same mineralic as loamy soil.
Most detectors won't show such finds at all because its already in the range of full discrimination.

So the best solution is an adjustable ground-balance from full "heavy mineralized" to silver or thick alu
in combination with a non-motion detector like the DeepHunter has it, because then its adjustble to any
ground mineralization.


But the problem is that ground in most times is a mixture and its very deep.
So far we don't have the exact values of all kind of different soils and mineralized-stones combinations.

btw. infrared radiation also penetrates good through the quartz-sand which makes it interesting for satellite-investigations.

And different frequencies are acting different with different kind of materials. GPRs work with higher frequencies
than MDs so they may get already much more useful signals with "bad" ground conditions - but not with all:

I've described it already here in this thread:

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?22491-large-mass-detection-system-and-cavities-with-a-manufacturing-model-and-rendering-2D&p=205579#post205579

This info here is also interesting:

http://easyrad.de/pages/faqs.php

approx. detection depths:

dry gravel and sand: 5 - 10m
saturated gravel and sand: 2 - 5m
wet gravel and sand: 2 - 3m
tight dry ground: 2m
tight wet ground: up to over 1m
rocks: 5m to over 10m
Dolomit or marbel: up to over 20m
usual water: 4m - 6m
salty water: 0m

Simply spoken:
the contrast factor of penetrating versus not penetration waves has to be detectable good enough.
The minerals below work similar reflecting to the GPR as the satellite-dish to the sat-signals.

Good luck.

[Polymer]

Hello Funfinder,

You wrote: "If you have quartz-sand or limestone the chances may be zero that you can find any cavity at all, ...".

I am wondering what characteristics quartz & limestone have that make this so difficult.

I'm not looking for holes in the ground but dig them a lot and curious to learn something new.

Thanks, Polymer

[Bigstarman]

Good luck my friend and don't get lost at the hidden catacombes of Odessa when you find them with the Easyrad!
I saw some docu a few days ago - really interesting.

Thank you, my friend.
We are known for multi-storey underground cities, which are untouched by modern people. See my attach.
Very interesting.

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=33325&d=1437563275

[Funfinder]

> Winter sleeve I wiped off the snow screen and continue to work. ))))))))

That's real treasure-hunting! Strong persons with tough equipment.


btw. it would be great if the software can create audio-signals if the
usual screen-signal changes to more disturbed or even totally different.

Some kind of auto-detection of: "there is an anomaly below".

With high sound for shallow ground-changes and low for deeper located signal-distortions.

Such an additional audio-signal output can be worth alot for live-search and for
easier search-activity at more complicated areas.


And ok fine if the ukrainian Easyrad belongs to the german development.
With such cooperation also more technical details can be solved better and
how it handles different ground-conditions.

Good luck my friend and don't get lost at the hidden catacombes of Odessa when you find them with the Easyrad!
I saw some docu a few days ago - really interesting.

[Bigstarman]

Is this a special ukrainian Easyrad
compared to those from Germany?
+38 phone area code is Khmelnytskiy, UA.

Team Easyrad is becoming more and more.

Of course it would be good if it has english language, too

All programs for Easyrad GPR in English available.
We are ready to do the software in any language, if the need be.

and if its connectable with a lightweight tablet PC or smart-phone.

No, no.
Small screen's bad to work in real time.
On the glossy screen, you will see yourself and the sun, and not profile the radargram.

Otherwise walking with the detector in one and some laptop
in the other hand could become a little bit complicated.
With a laptop it would need two persons for live-hunt
because it's already big enough for geting detected.

No difficulty. I have a great deal left hand with all modes of program and even have time to draw a schematic in the graphical editor. GPR wear in the right hand.
We've tried a lot of options. Today won Panasonic CF-19 (MK3, MK4, ...). Convenient belt suspension. Sufficient screen size. Not the glossy matrix. A vivid image.
Winter sleeve I wiped off the snow screen and continue to work. ))))))))

[Funfinder]

Thank you for the new Easyrad info.
And the video is pretty interesting.

Is this a special ukrainian Easyrad
compared to those from Germany?
+38 phone area code is Khmelnytskiy, UA.

Seems the picture live-updates every 5cm at the ongoing "oscilloscope" screen.
This is very good for live-search, if the recognizable changes are large enough!

Perfect for people who look for old treasures or war relics.
1st and 2nd world war, serpents wall, mongolian invasion ...
Of course it would be good if it has english language, too and
if its connectable with a lightweight tablet PC or smart-phone.

Otherwise walking with the detector in one and some laptop
in the other hand could become a little bit complicated.
With a laptop it would need two persons for live-hunt
because it's already big enough for geting detected.


Of course it can't replace a good usual metal-detector
with large coil. I've written about this some posts above.

But it can show changing ground structures or
even buried walls so it may be really useful to
receive hints for special deep buried treasures!

And I think to detect cavities such a device also
will have a chance if the soil is mineralic enough.


But first I need to know or ask how good is the
direct detection possibility!

Receiving great and promising pictures on some portable screen
and dig directly is a totally different method of treasure-hunting
than walking first 100 rows over an area of 100x100 meters and
afterwards analyzing at home with some PC-software the results.

And because cavity or buried walls are pretty rare,
its also important to bury some metal box 2 meters deep first
and then test what kind of signals the Easyrad will provide.

Because this is what will counts practically seen the most:
Detecting deep and large metal masses.

Of course the Easyrad does not provide metal discrimination,
but instead it could really find extreme deep and special stuff.

[Bigstarman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eysprYETCnQ&feature=youtu.be
The use of EasyRad GPR in archeology greatly simplifies the work of archaeologists and gives a lot of useful information, it saves time, money and effort.
This video is in Russian, but has English subtitles.




On YouTube there are several interesting videos on the topic. Unfortunately only in Russian.
For example

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVIEe-0li40

Amber on the poligon GPR copy.

3D animation model built based on the result of the ground penetrating radar probing of a water channel:

http://easyrad.com.ua/tmp/3D_Olshanka.gif

View website

http://www.easyrad.com.ua/index.php?r=index_en

[Funfinder]

Hi,

The Nokta Golden King works almost the same as the Jeohunter but it has additional features
and was or still is 1500 dollars more expensive.
The best price you would have with the Jeosonar but the best depth meanwhile has the DeepHunter.
Or you can buy some second hand Golden King for the half money but with the 1 meter coil included!

PI together with FE-metalic-discrimation-magnetometer also would be a cheap solution but
not that reliable. You have to use at least some 75cm coil and P.I. detection is pretty slow,
you can't make ultra-fast sweeps with the coil or drag it with high speed over the ground.


Of course you can try to built your own 2-box-system, but I doubt you can create 2D image rendering
or it could be some very complicated task.
btw. There exists some old Whites 2 box model which had cavity-detection included.
I guess it was called Whites TM 800 or something like that. The new 808 version does not have cavity detection.
But perhaps you can still find somewhere the older model or you can mail to the Whites company and ask them.


Anyway:
It's very important what kind of ground do you have where you wanna search!
Because best (or even only) chances to find cavity would be medium-mineralic soil.

If you have quartz-sand or limestone the chances may be zero that you can find any cavity at all,
so that's why its much more important to get a detector that is able to find metal objects
as deep as possible! And therefore you need a detector that works at least with a 40cm coil.

Good Luck.

[tchou]

Hello,

I forget the brand OKM. Brand nokta it Interesē me a lot especially the golden king because it is available in my home, have you ever ssay?
It bothers me still a little to buy a device and not make the same of me.
I'd be home with PI am a magnetometer to meet my expectations on detection of metallic and fat mass thanks to the magnetometer discriminate ferrous objects from the rest.
If you have some devices to advise me that gathers a PI and a magnetometer, I'm listening
Regarding the cavities I refine my selection and arrives at the following result if I buy a device:
The Jeosonar gold Jeohunter deephunter gold Makro Group and golden king of nokta and most reliable compared to your opinion on easyrad.
But if I do not want to buy equipment and build myself you think of a VLF 2 box system might be able to detect cavities with good reliability? I think being able to manufacture it from a simple pattern and 2D imaging and 3D I think authorities then program a program but I lack the information and confirmations on your fesabilité and reliability of this kind device.

Thank you for your response and your patience is nice of you.
theo