Detector to search in great depth

[johber]

I'm looking for something that is buried very deep to 6m or more and needed some clarification on what type of detector would be suitable for this search, and if anyone is aware of any equipment that has this range. The container was made of iron, and is buried for a long time, more than 100 years.
I would appreciate if someone could provide me some information.
Johber

[Funfinder]

Hi,

sorry but this was not enough info. What size is the container, what soil, how much moisture,
vegetation above, electro-smog creating electricity nearby or not, how much money can you invest.


Because its iron some flux-gate magnetometer should do the job as long as the soil is not to
magnetical-mineralized itself but the box should have already a size of 1x1meter.

If its just 30x30cm you may find it with no detector at all at such depth.


If the soil is low mineralized and the buried box is really large you also can try with usual MDs
that have a coilsize of at least 1meter like P.I. detectors, Golden King or DeepHunter.
I don't know how much good magnetometers costs ya but the second solution
(PI and 1m coil metal detectors) is from ca. 1000-6000 bucks which may be better the budget.

And if the soil is very homogenous even some GPR like the EasyRad may do a good job to
get that container. The price here is around 4500.
Anyway - 6m already is very deep so already the excavation equipment will costs alot.


And it also depends alot on how huge or small is the searching area!
If its huge you may rent some magnetometer for ships and if the region is flat
you can drive with some car over the site and drag this thing behind it.

If its rather small the usual search methods should work - checking row by row
the site or other systematical patterns.

please read the info here first before you ask more incl. better details about
the search conditions and find size. Good luck.

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...d-rendering-2D

[kt315]

You can buy meanwhile for low selling-out prices The Jeosonar or Jeohunter from Makro Group , Istanbul,
which contains image 2D (Jeosonar) or 3D (Jeohunter) rendering but this is not the main important part,
it is the depth and coil size. ---->>> http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...d-rendering-2D

like always Funfinder takes our alltime here on adwertizing of his garbage ( what a man!

[Funfinder]

For kt315, who has not the slightest practical experience with those detectors,
every paedagogical advice seems to be for nothing so the principle counts:
Once foul, always foul!

So don't listen to this person, he just wanna promotes his selfbrew PCB stuff
and is no longer able to learn anything additional in the area of MDs!

Under such circumstances its clear that he won't offer any ontopic help
in this thread but prefers to criticizes even if there is nothing there because
I wrote in the first term that for 6m depth some flux-gate magnetometer
should be used and only if the circumstances are good or if the money
is low some P.I., EasyRad, DeepHunter etc. may have a chance with the 1m coil.


The Golden King, Jeosonar or Jeohunter of course also would be an option to
save even more money but those are not that deep as the DeepHunter
so the chances to get a 6 meter deep treasure with them might be
10-20% lower, depending on the ground and mineralization.

kt315, because of guys like you I hate to give here for free circuits
like the new vibration-schematic because such unthankful persons
destroy just everything and are only big annoying.

If you have no money to buy real detectors and you need to built
your cheap PI stuff go somewhere else! This forum is about
professional developments and improvements and not sh*ting onto other users!


The big question seen from a paedagogical point of view is:

When does a person starts to remain on the status "once an **** always an ****"
or when the time starts when persons are no longer changeable from their opinions and positions.

I have to say this because kt315 since the beginning or since 2010 was a
declared enemy of the Jeohunter and stubbornly he still stays on this position.
I guess he had massive personal troubles with the persons at Istanbul who
create this device because of different mentalities (hot Turkey vs. "frozen" Balticum mentality)
because seen from the technical arguments he couldn't offer any substantial so far at all !!!

He's like a person who says that a Ferrari is crap because he's addicted to Porsche -
no technical arguments but instead only personal favours.

Meanwhile I'm pretty shure sometimes he had big trouble with the guys from Turkey because
of his not really compatible view of things and emotional behaviour. Evtl. kt315 also has
too few possibilities to test detectors how they should tested which leads to misunderstandings.



But back to the psychological consequences for persons who show no insight at all, over years not:
If China and the US (and alot more countries) have the death-sentence for diverse heavy crimes
this claims indirectly that the behaviour and character of persons will no longer change into direction better,
more wise, fair, etc. because those will hold on to their antisocial convictions anyway.
The result: The only solution to protect society from such subjects is to kill them or shut them away.


But this is not the final point of view.
Like good parents can aducate their childs if those make mistakes and unwanted actions
I think its possible until the end of life to form and improve the character of persons -
as long as the used methods and the circumstances have a really high emotional and psychological impact !!!
From the hardest rough-bones to the most sensitive women - but a fitting input or situation has to be applied.


Of course for shure I will not be the victim of such corrupted or uncut personalities but they
still are some "plant of this society" and use their egoistical motives to survive.
And survival still is a very ambivalent topic:

People only survive because they destroy plants and animals!
And often people only have war with other people if their food etc. ressources go low.
So the question of good and bad, right and wrong is much more complex -
concerning the Homo Sapiens.


kt315, thanx for your interest and I hope for you that you get those detectors
which are really the best for your needs. You don't need to have the absolute best ones ...



@ johber:
I forgot to mention proton-magnetometers which at alot circumstances
are even better to detect iron-metal boxes! If you can afford such...
Anyway: For 6m deep treasure you will have to invest alot money first
and I hope that you are absolutly shure that this treasure really is there
and worth everything because otherwise your complete investments could be for nothing.

[johber]

Thanks for the information, Funfinder! I'm following his advice and studying on magnetometers and PIs.
With the ground believe it is clayey and sandy surface. It is covered area of trees and underbrush, which would hinder movement of large coils. Magnetometers appear to be good choices but do not know whether it is suitable for this type of soil. Magnetometers and GPR found available for rental. However I need to study more about the operation of such equipment. I have a lot to read before making an investment!
Jober

[Funfinder]

thx for the info but how large is the box and are you shure that it's exactly 6 meters deep ???

btw. magnetometers will be a very good choice even for very loamy or clay soil
but only if the area is not infested with metal-junk all over !!!

In such case you need first some usual MD to remove completly every disturbing metal stuff.

If you can have detectors for rental this is perfect.
And there is not so much to read, important also is to collect experience out in the field
and to find enough informations in the first place concerning about the treasures location.

Many people lost millions of dollars and years of time because the treasure location just was some rumor!
As example the spanish galleon Atocha near the Florida Keys in the beginning for a long time was
wrongly searched ca. 100miles to the east. But after they found the huge iron anchor of this ship
with some magnetometer it was just a question of time to come close to the real treasures! Good luck!

[johber]

It is estimated that is 6m deep, it is the old story of the person who saw being buried the box. The size should not be 1x1m, perhaps 0,40x0,40m. The forest is preserved and probably clean metal waste.
In my search for magnetometers, I have found several different types, proton precession, cesium vapor, overhauser, fluxgate, and I have doubt as to performance of each type and what would be most appropriate for this case. If you can give me some advice in this regard it would be very useful for me.
Thank you
Johber

[WM6]

It is estimated that is 6m deep, it is the old story of the person who saw being buried the box. The size should not be 1x1m, perhaps 0,40x0,40m.

So shallow?
Not worth to dig crap at 6m of depth.
It should be at least 22m deep to find and dig a big Golden Honed.

[kt315]

magnetometers will be a very good choice

bad thing you did just say. idiotic comment. MM detects ALL heterogeneities into a ground and majority of them are rocks. you knowledge is FULL ZERO in metaldetecting.

[Funfinder]

The good thing for you kt315 is that with your hate against Makro and Nokta you never will get or buy such detectors,
not even second-hand. Deserves you fully right! hahaha! Have fun while playing with your 50 years old Ex-UDSSR stuff!