Nokta Impact - The new Multi-All-Round Detector in 2017

[Funfinder]

Our great engineers from the beautiful and hard attacked Eurasian metropolis Istanbul
created again a detector with many innovative improvements.

The funny thing: This detector yet isn't on the market (coming up end of March 2017)
but thanks to a forum member who wrote about it at the offtopic forum I was informed
and thought that it would be better to start a new thread here because this is really
an interesting detector and a fantastic example how to improve technology!

The Nokta Impact is the successor of the Makro Racer 2 (the Makro and Nokta companies
joined again) and comes with many new features like the inbuilt wireless headphones connection,
a special hotrocks-elimination mode and adjustable tones for 99 different metal IDs!

More very first infos here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaccU3XoKe0

So far I don't have the Impact but when I'll get it you'll get first hand tests and infos from me.
With the Makro Racer 1 so far I had really fantastic find results and since 2015 metal-detecting
is much more fun because of vibration and listening to all kind of stuff on the mp3-player etc.!

For the Nokta Impact a small sniper coil for gold-nuggets but also a 15'' - 40cm deep-search coil is available.
So its really multi-purpose or as it is written on the package: "most powerful all-round metal detector".
The coil-cable is hidden inside the stem but still easy to connect and disconnect.

The Racer 2 had already a special deep mode (with sweeping the coil slower) and that's why I'm
very curious if it was possible to improve the depth again. And already the Racer 1 is very deep.

We will see!

[Nandor]

Looks interesting! Europe has a lot of history to dig

[Kemper]

Our great engineers from the beautiful and hard attacked Eurasian metropolis Istanbul
created again a detector with many innovative improvements.

The funny thing: This detector yet isn't on the market (coming up end of March 2017)
but thanks to a forum member who wrote about it at the offtopic forum I was informed
and thought that it would be better to start a new thread here because this is really
an interesting detector and a fantastic example how to improve technology!

The Nokta Impact is the successor of the Makro Racer 2 (the Makro and Nokta companies
joined again) and comes with many new features like the inbuilt wireless headphones connection,
a special hotrocks-elimination mode and adjustable tones for 99 different metal IDs!

More very first infos here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaccU3XoKe0

So far I don't have the Impact but when I'll get it you'll get first hand tests and infos from me.
With the Makro Racer 1 so far I had really fantastic find results and since 2015 metal-detecting
is much more fun because of vibration and listening to all kind of stuff on the mp3-player etc.!

For the Nokta Impact a small sniper coil for gold-nuggets but also a 15'' - 40cm deep-search coil is available.
So its really multi-purpose or as it is written on the package: "most powerful all-round metal detector".
The coil-cable is hidden inside the stem but still easy to connect and disconnect.

The Racer 2 had already a special deep mode (with sweeping the coil slower) and that's why I'm
very curious if it was possible to improve the depth again. And already the Racer 1 is very deep.

We will see!

At this point it seems like more of a toy for people that want to play with a machine. I don't see it being needed or helpful to the detecting community as a whole. The tests I've seen so far have only shown what the " toy " aspect has to offer but I've seen nothing to make me think a person would be more successful with it over other machines that have been out for some time.

[SVEN1]

I hope to try one out, indeed seems like an interesting detector than can be taylored to soil conditions and adapt to many types of hunting types--coins and jewelry, relic, beach..............
Looks like a detector for the more experienced seasoned serious detectorist but, one that can also be tamed down for the beginner who at the moment doesn't need all the horsepower it has to offer.
Operate it with controls set like an Ace 250 for beginners or set controls for max. potential of a powerful Etrac or...........................

Yup, just another fun toy for us big boys to play with that are making its way to the sales floor.

[Kemper]

I hope to try one out, indeed seems like an interesting detector than can be taylored to soil conditions and adapt to many types of hunting types--coins and jewelry, relic, beach..............
Looks like a detector for the more experienced seasoned serious detectorist but, one that can also be tamed down for the beginner who at the moment doesn't need all the horsepower it has to offer.
Operate it with controls set like an Ace 250 for beginners or set controls for max. potential of a powerful Etrac or...........................

Yup, just another fun toy for us big boys to play with that are making its way to the sales floor.

As highlighted, I think that is what the intention is- to make a toy that makes people feel big. That's where the money is. Too bad they are testing them in public parks where the real hobbyists and hunters play and would like to continue to.

[SVEN1]

Notka Impact
An sophisticated adult toy for big boys (grown-up adults) who still like to get out and have fun like they did when they were younger.
We have come a long way since being a small child with a yellow rubber duckie toy.
Human nature to want to advance to a higher level and try new things if the capability is present.

Looking at Makro/Notka's track record so far, they have produced detectors with functions and features detectorists have been asking for. And they perform to most everyone's liking.
So there's no reason not to be excited about trying a new product of theirs.
The testors were provided proto-type samples to test, these were constantly revised resulting in the final production product. Once they roll out of the warehouse into customers hands, well get a better idea on the production models performance.
If it doesn't live up to expectations, owners will soon part with them. And if they do, you won't see any used ones up for sale for a long time.....until a new fangled toy comes around.
If you haven't personally tried something, any performance comparison comments you make about it has no truth.

Probably will get a production Impact to play with, there are several people in our club with an Ace 250...........................

[ivconic]

Looks interesting enough to try it.
Refreshing too.
Only thing that i don't like from a start is wired coil.
Once you get used on wireless coil; you'll never want to return back to wired one.
(feeling is exactly the same as you driven Mercedes SLK-Class for several years and all of the sudden you are pushed to switch to Maruti for example!!!)
As part time servicer i can tell how awful can be the situation with problems around wired coil, connectors, cables...
So... i would suggest to Makro/Nokta ONLY to change that part; to introduce wireless coil at that model... if possible.
Everything else seems quite alright on video.

[ivconic]

C'mon!!!
More i watch the video; more i recognize the XP in it!

[Skippy]

Interesting, that, Ivconic. I think the wired coil is one of the Impacts good features. NokMak have taken the better aspects of several top machines and put them in one. From the Deus: Selectable frequency; Cordless headphones; software updateable. From machines like the Teknetics T2: good ergonomics/weight; fast response & good depth; simple 4 x AA power source.

Wired coils are cheaper. They work underwater OK. They don't need charging up. They won't go flat on you in the field.

The main weak point of a wired coil is the connection to the main electronics, which is prone to failure, dirt ingress, wear. Most of these issues can be removed by good design, and better quality parts.

[ivconic]

Interesting, that, Ivconic. I think the wired coil is one of the Impacts good features. NokMak have taken the better aspects of several top machines and put them in one. From the Deus: Selectable frequency; Cordless headphones; software updateable. From machines like the Teknetics T2: good ergonomics/weight; fast response & good depth; simple 4 x AA power source.

Wired coils are cheaper. They work underwater OK. They don't need charging up. They won't go flat on you in the field.

The main weak point of a wired coil is the connection to the main electronics, which is prone to failure, dirt ingress, wear. Most of these issues can be removed by good design, and better quality parts.

Sorry but i disagree in some points.
For 5-6 years of having and frequently using Deus; i have NEVER ended up with flat batteries on the field, NEVER, not even once.
And you better believe me that i am regularly and frequently going outdoor.
...
Relating to other points... well; i don't believe in miracles nor in random coincidences.
Nokta Velox One is DIRECT COPY of XP Gold Max Power.
This one, Nokta Impact; terribly resembles on XP Deus behavior!
Same VDI ranges, same audio pitches, pretty much the same preset memory organization, pretty much the same (maybe differently named some options) presets and options.
Well... if it walks like a rabbit, talks like a rabbit, smells like a rabbit... eats carrots too...
They did just few things to mask and cover the bare and basic Deus core; wider LCD display, showing more options at the same time, bit different onscreen navigation...
But in essence it is XP Deus!
Seems like Nokta "subscribed" on XP projects and ideas!
...
Or... maybe that's quite another rabbit hiding behind the bush! Ha!
You may call me too paranoid, maybe a conspiracy theory sucker too... but maybe this "Impact" story is just another variation of the same story we've seen with Fusher and Whote's "made in China".
I tend to believe that it is possible that XP just sold the project to Nokta to produce "different" machines than Deus is, withing negotiated limits (not wireless coil for example, or quite different outlook and design).
Same as i tend to believe that Fusher and Whote's deliberately pushed "made in China" production too.


Ok, i accept that i can be wrong too on this. I don't have any proofs to support these doubts.
But one thing i am 100% sure; Impact is direct Deus idea copy!
100%.
Same as Velox One is XP Gold Max Power copy, 100%.
...
I've been too long in this to be fooled that easy... sorry!

[ivconic]

Another proof that whole world gone crazy... totally lacking of any original and genuine idea!
Here is the Fisher F70 masked as new product:

[Kemper]

Notka Impact
An sophisticated adult toy for big boys (grown-up adults) who still like to get out and have fun like they did when they were younger.
We have come a long way since being a small child with a yellow rubber duckie toy.
Human nature to want to advance to a higher level and try new things if the capability is present.

Looking at Makro/Notka's track record so far, they have produced detectors with functions and features detectorists have been asking for. And they perform to most everyone's liking.
So there's no reason not to be excited about trying a new product of theirs.
The testors were provided proto-type samples to test, these were constantly revised resulting in the final production product. Once they roll out of the warehouse into customers hands, well get a better idea on the production models performance.
If it doesn't live up to expectations, owners will soon part with them. And if they do, you won't see any used ones up for sale for a long time.....until a new fangled toy comes around.
If you haven't personally tried something, any performance comparison comments you make about it has no truth.

Probably will get a production Impact to play with, there are several people in our club with an Ace 250...........................

" If you haven't personally tried something, any performance comparison comments you make about it has no truth. "

That's why I don't think anyone should claim you would be more successful with it than an ACE 250.

[ivconic]

" If you haven't personally tried something, any performance comparison comments you make about it has no truth. "

That's why I don't think anyone should claim you would be more successful with it than an ACE 250.

In 99% of cases is about pure luck and not about machine or skill at operator.
Only in 1% cases quality of machine and skill at operator can make a difference.
So your standing point is obviously true.

[Skippy]

Quote:"Impact is direct Deus idea copy! 100%."

Hmmm. The Racer is an "F75 copy", the Impact is a Racer on steroids, incorporating many good aspects of the Deus.
The F75 / T2, and the Deus are very popular in Europe. It's no surprise they're going to be influencing the design of other machines. What is perhaps more surprising is that First Texas have not produced their own "Impact" in the years since the T2 was launched (2007). They clearly have the know-how / skills, and the 'Greek Series' coil is wide-band nulled, so works OK from 8kHz ( Omega, F5 etc) to 19 kHz (G2, F19), so would be a decent starting point for a 8KHz / 16KHz machine.

[Funfinder]

At this point it seems like more of a toy for people that want to play with a machine. I don't see it being needed or helpful to the detecting community as a whole. The tests I've seen so far have only shown what the " toy " aspect has to offer but I've seen nothing to make me think a person would be more successful with it over other machines that have been out for some time.

Is a professional flight-simulator a toy or is it an important tool to train pilot-rookies?

The definition of what is hard work and what is a motivating game is fluent:
If you are motivated your work in the diamond-mine is a funny game and if
not your life as a party-animator in an all-inclusive holiday hotel is hell!


But besides this kind of argumentation:
There exists people who simply need tools who come with certain features!
When I wanna find meteorites and the MD is not able to find them its not the right one for me!
This is the same with PI versus Induction Balance ("VLF" technology).

And there exists people who are only motivated if the detector has vibration or "easy listening" audio signals
instead of erratic and good finds camouflaging beeping when there is some electro-smog around.

Sure, the main improvement would be the depth or if the MD also detects cavity etc.
But all the new features the Nokta Impact offers like to change the frequency to 20kHz for small nuggets
or to 5kHz for large coil and deep objects are simply very practical and the overall performance improving.


But one thing is completely an illusion:
Everything is just pure luck and you can find the same with every detector!"

We have some "feedback-chain": MD-users --> MD-dealers --> MD-creators --> MD-users --> ... .... ...
Because first is the demand and afterwards is the providing.
Otherwise the producers would produce but noone would need their products!

Now if people have problems with detectors or the depth they offer they are looking
for something better. And the better the detector is the higher will be the search-success.
Otherwise still everyone would buy detectors from the 80s or 90s!

Luck of course is a factor but I can't use the Garrett-Pro-Pointer,
stick it every 3 meters into the ground and hope for enough luck
to recover the most fantastic find this way!

The ACE250 is already limited by its standard coil size!
You have to sweep the double amount to cover the same area compared
with the Makro Racer's or Nokta Impact's 40cm coil by the still good enough sensitivity
if it comes to objects which are 1cm and upwards.

Seen from the calculation this way the success-chances already are twice as good.


Kemper, and that's why you can't claim that you will find 99% or even 200% of
what the Impact finds with the ACE250. If you have 2 different metal-detectors at
home you should make your own tests with buried targets and already that way you'll
see that one detector will perform better as the other.

You also can't find special mineralized stones with the ACE250 or Deus XP while you
will find them with the Blisstool or the Makro Racer (I guess the Impact also will find them).
The most simple argument would be that the ACE250 is already over 5 years old
and since then a lot depth improvements for all detectors have been made!

This is the feedback-chain I've spoken already about:
People wanna have detectors with better and not with worse performance!
And why Kemper do you think that someone pays 1000 Euro for a professional
detector if he can have the same many finds as you claim also with the ACE250?

But this talk here is completely useless:
People who don't believe that a detector is better as some other one and
don't wanna listen to those who make all kind of tests have to find a way
to compare them on their own or they can stay in their dream-world of:
"My little metal-detector beats all the 10x more expensive ones easily!"

Some countries are thinking the same way to be able to conquer the whole world!
Until they learn it the hard way! First it feels great to be king but not in the end!

The bitter truth is that people who are working with "bad tools" are missing a lot
good chances and when they compare their own success with those of others
this even can lead to frustrations which can bring the motivation fully down.

"I'm haunted by bad luck, I'm poking 100 times with my pinpointer into the ground
but find almost nothing!" Well, perhaps I should use some more appropriate MD?