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  • Altra
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    A better close up

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  • Altra
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    All the micros I use now have motor control HSPWM modules. These work very well for vco audio. I'll try an h-bridge.

    Found this file on my hard drive. Don't remember the source. It has a nice h-bridge for cw. These mosfet driver IC's (IR2104) will not work on PI because of the isolation diode going to coil on the highside n-fet. The bootstap circuit in the driver needs to be connected to the source and load. If anyone knows a way to make it work ?

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  • Carl-NC
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    Shoot through on the transitions can be a problem. Ideally use a micro with motor drive timers that have adjustable dead time, then you can tweak it.

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  • Altra
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    In a discrete single voltage design what's the most important factor? Cross conduction? I been using the ML Sovereign PN h-bridge for a while. It works but generates a lot of ringing and noise on the transitions. Too bad these motor drivers seem to have issues.

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  • Carl-NC
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    So far, a discrete H-bridge.

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  • Altra
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    Originally posted by Carl-NC View Post
    Here is the VLF transmit module:

    A caveat with this design is that I recently found a flaw in the DRV8872, in that it has a 200ns jitter in the output transitions. This creates a large transition noise in the RX signal. Supposedly there are other H-bridge chips that have a different internal design that avoids this problem but I have not tried them yet. Meanwhile, I am designing a discrete H-bridge driver.
    Hi Carl,
    Did you ever find a solution for the jitter?
    Thanks

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  • Daves
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    Carl-NC thank you, I will review it and return back with my questions.

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  • Carl-NC
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    Here is the Filter module:

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    This is the one module I have not put much thought into. It is intended to be a final gain stage with low-pass filtering before feeding the signals to the ADC, but on thing missing is a way to offset signals if needed. If you want to maintain analog processing then this module could be changed to do the first and second derivatives.

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  • Carl-NC
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    Here is Demod module:

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    It can be configured as a SHA demod with 1, 2, or 3 pole filter; a sampling integrator type, including zero-droop feedback; and two types of switched-cap demods. Again, most values are TBD.

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  • Carl-NC
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    Here is the PI Preamp module:

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    Same comments as with the VLF Preamp module. The PI includes flyback protection diodes and some switches for experimenting with switched isolation.

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  • Carl-NC
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    Here is the VLF Preamp module:

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    There are various options, like making the first stage inverting, non-inverting, or differential; parallel or series resonance; inverting or non-inverting second stage; or flipping the polarity of the output signals. Many of the components can either be SMT or thru-hole so that changing values is easy, especially if you use sockets. Note that none of the component values are real, they are all TBD.

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  • Carl-NC
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    Here is the VLF transmit module:

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    This combines a sinusoidal oscillator (Q1, Q2, etc) with an H-bridge square wave driver (IC1). You would populate one or the other but not both. They are powered by a boost converter which can provide up to 30V.

    A caveat with this design is that I recently found a flaw in the DRV8872, in that it has a 200ns jitter in the output transitions. This creates a large transition noise in the RX signal. Supposedly there are other H-bridge chips that have a different internal design that avoids this problem but I have not tried them yet. Meanwhile, I am designing a discrete H-bridge driver.

    A TX module can also be designed for PI (either monopolar or bipolar) but I have not done that yet.

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  • Daves
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    Carl-NC can you share your Transmit, Demodulator and Filter designs?

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  • Carl-NC
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    Here is the schematic for the power module:

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    It is a simple linear regulator (there are 2 chip options) followed by a rail splitter. There is also a reverse polarity protection NMOS transistor.
    The layout is this:

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    Overall size is 25 x 37.5 mm.

    Here is an alternative power module that uses a true ground and an inverting regulator:

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    Layout fits on the same size module:

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  • Tinkerer
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    Originally posted by Daves View Post

    Is this schematic for only PI RX preamp
    This preamp schematic is specifically for the AMX PI.
    The AMX PI is using a bi-polar square wave current TX. There are several versions of bipolar square current wave TX circuits on this forum. Like Moodz, King, Tinkerer. There might be several more I don't know of. The Minelab 7000 also uses a bi-polar square current wave TX.

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