field test unit no 001 "model T"

[deemon]

Some then abandon traditional PI and run with their new "discovery" only to find out it can't work. They then usually disappear.

Not every time , man . Sometimes this new stuff really works ...

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?20140-Square-wave-Pulse-Induction/page3

[PATCHES JUNIOR]

Are you saying that the Moodz approach is unsound in the theory or practice? If so why?

Welcome to Geotech Doug2. Always good to have new members here. Tell us a bit about you and how you found this website. Again I say welcome.

[moodz]

Basic engineering Robby optimal power transfer from a source only occurs where z source = z load .. A damping resistor is not the correct load for a dynamic source such as a discharging coil during discharge.

[moodz]

Are you saying that the Moodz approach is unsound in the theory or practice? If so why?

Doug stop looking for absolutes .. There is a world of difference between doubt and certainty. Nothing is black and white ... Except collingwood.

[Doug2]

Fair enough Carl, after all it's your forum and you're the boss.

I can understand why you encourage ideas even if you know they have no future. At least the proponent is having fun and he/she and other members might learn something.

My post count doesn't indicate it but I've followed Geotech (and the PI classroom) since the very early days and every so often someone notices how the spike's width, amplitude, coil current, coil energy etc changes when metal is placed near the coil. Some then abandon traditional PI and run with their new "discovery" only to find out it can't work. They then usually disappear.

Perhaps the forum needs a sticky written by someone reasonably well known in the industry laying out PI basics and the general rules and what happens if we break those rules. It would need to fully explain the main advantage PI has over VLF and why traditional PI avoids sampling until after the spike has effectively settled to zero, and why it avoids using other methods based on "discoveries" that are in fact very well known. This at least would allow people to see the real problems and perhaps try to figure out how they can be addressed. This would be far better than what we have now, ie, each person reinventing the wheel and then giving up when they encounter the same problems everyone else has. Keep this up and no one will ever make real discoveries.

And it would be far better to discuss these supposed "6 patents that use front end switches" instead of blindly believing that a simple, slow, inefficient, crude switch makes them obsolete. This silly attitude keeps the average member's understanding of PI science in a backwater. If the patents are the ones I think they are then they all address problems most people aren't even aware of.

Are you saying that the Moodz approach is unsound in the theory or practice? If so why?

[robby_h]

Robby, do you have such a problem with Moodz' efforts that you feel the need to incessantly badger him? I don't understand the obsession with some of you guys. I personally have some doubts about his approach but I'm perfectly willing to be wrong. If you don't like what he's doing say, "I don't like what your doing" and let it go, or take it elsewhere.

Fair enough Carl, after all it's your forum and you're the boss.

I can understand why you encourage ideas even if you know they have no future. At least the proponent is having fun and he/she and other members might learn something.

My post count doesn't indicate it but I've followed Geotech (and the PI classroom) since the very early days and every so often someone notices how the spike's width, amplitude, coil current, coil energy etc changes when metal is placed near the coil. Some then abandon traditional PI and run with their new "discovery" only to find out it can't work. They then usually disappear.

Perhaps the forum needs a sticky written by someone reasonably well known in the industry laying out PI basics and the general rules and what happens if we break those rules. It would need to fully explain the main advantage PI has over VLF and why traditional PI avoids sampling until after the spike has effectively settled to zero, and why it avoids using other methods based on "discoveries" that are in fact very well known. This at least would allow people to see the real problems and perhaps try to figure out how they can be addressed. This would be far better than what we have now, ie, each person reinventing the wheel and then giving up when they encounter the same problems everyone else has. Keep this up and no one will ever make real discoveries.

And it would be far better to discuss these supposed "6 patents that use front end switches" instead of blindly believing that a simple, slow, inefficient, crude switch makes them obsolete. This silly attitude keeps the average member's understanding of PI science in a backwater. If the patents are the ones I think they are then they all address problems most people aren't even aware of.

[Doug2]

I personally have some doubts about his approach but I'm perfectly willing to be wrong.

Carl what are your doubts about the approach and your reasons for those doubts?
Doug2

[IBGold]

TOO TRUE I totaly agree with Carl you lot go back to your corporate sponsors.

Regards, Ian.

[Carl-NC]

Carl, Moodz has been making outrageous claims about his detector design achievements. When a few issues with his design have been pointed out to him in the past he has been very willing to ridicule and denigrate the messenger and then carry on to make further outrageous claims. If you refer back to the claims he made for ideas he patented, you might now wonder why he ever let the patents lapse. Do you need a clue??

You have members here on this forum who have accepted Moodz's claims, and it would appear Sido, for one, was prepared to provide assembly services and perhaps financial assistance toward the production of Moodz's detector. So, how many other members believe the Moodz detector is ready, or very close to being ready, for production?

I would be interested to have members here give their understanding of the following statement made by Moodz in the last 12 hours with respect to the rights of individuals to query Moodz's claims.....

"Actually they have no rights at all ... At least me and Al are providing free entertainment writing about the development of new detectors ... If they eventuate that's a bonus."

So do you think it is OK to make outrageous claims about totally unproven works in progress as long as it is entertaining??

Maybe there is a different level of gullibility between those who accept Moodz's claims at face value and those who are prepared to ask the hard questions with the view of having him justify his claims.

Paul, my general overarching reply to this is... SO WHAT? I don't care if Moodz, Bugs, Allan, and even Aziz make outrageous claims about their developments. Time will take care of those claims one way or the other, we don't need designated Claims Police to attack everything they say. Give it a rest.

[moodz]

Carl, Moodz has been making outrageous claims about his detector design achievements. When a few issues with his design have been pointed out to him in the past he has been very willing to ridicule and denigrate the messenger and then carry on to make further outrageous claims. If you refer back to the claims he made for ideas he patented, you might now wonder why he ever let the patents lapse. Do you need a clue??

You have members here on this forum who have accepted Moodz's claims, and it would appear Sido, for one, was prepared to provide assembly services and perhaps financial assistance toward the production of Moodz's detector. So, how many other members believe the Moodz detector is ready, or very close to being ready, for production?

I would be interested to have members here give their understanding of the following statement made by Moodz in the last 12 hours with respect to the rights of individuals to query Moodz's claims.....

"Actually they have no rights at all ... At least me and Al are providing free entertainment writing about the development of new detectors ... If they eventuate that's a bonus."

So do you think it is OK to make outrageous claims about totally unproven works in progress as long as it is entertaining??

Maybe there is a different level of gullibility between those who accept Moodz's claims at face value and those who are prepared to ask the hard questions with the view of having him justify his claims.

These two plonkers are playing tag team to discredit anyone developing independent pi detectors particularly australian developers. If they think that they are protecting a commercial entity they have practically guaranteed the idea will go offshore and killed off commercial opportunity here in Australia.

[Paul99]

Robby, do you have such a problem with Moodz' efforts that you feel the need to incessantly badger him? I don't understand the obsession with some of you guys. I personally have some doubts about his approach but I'm perfectly willing to be wrong. If you don't like what he's doing say, "I don't like what your doing" and let it go, or take it elsewhere.

Carl, Moodz has been making outrageous claims about his detector design achievements. When a few issues with his design have been pointed out to him in the past he has been very willing to ridicule and denigrate the messenger and then carry on to make further outrageous claims. If you refer back to the claims he made for ideas he patented, you might now wonder why he ever let the patents lapse. Do you need a clue??

You have members here on this forum who have accepted Moodz's claims, and it would appear Sido, for one, was prepared to provide assembly services and perhaps financial assistance toward the production of Moodz's detector. So, how many other members believe the Moodz detector is ready, or very close to being ready, for production?

I would be interested to have members here give their understanding of the following statement made by Moodz in the last 12 hours with respect to the rights of individuals to query Moodz's claims.....

"Actually they have no rights at all ... At least me and Al are providing free entertainment writing about the development of new detectors ... If they eventuate that's a bonus."

So do you think it is OK to make outrageous claims about totally unproven works in progress as long as it is entertaining??

Maybe there is a different level of gullibility between those who accept Moodz's claims at face value and those who are prepared to ask the hard questions with the view of having him justify his claims.

[Qiaozhi]

If anyone could be bothered to read the forum rules, it says:
"Criticism should be relevant and constructive. If you disagree with something, state your case, and move on."

[KingJL]

Robby, do you have such a problem with Moodz' efforts that you feel the need to incessantly badger him? I don't understand the obsession with some of you guys. I personally have some doubts about his approach but I'm perfectly willing to be wrong. If you don't like what he's doing say, "I don't like what your doing" and let it go, or take it elsewhere.

AMEN!!!!

[sido]

I don't understand the obsession with some of you guys. I personally have some doubts about his approach but I'm perfectly willing to be wrong. If you don't like what he's doing say, "I don't like what your doing" and let it go, or take it elsewhere.

I personally have some doubts about his approach but I'm perfectly willing to be wrong. If you don't like what he's doing say, "I don't like what your doing" and let it go, or take it elsewhere.

Totally right.......

Me too with the addition circus going on for so long...WHY though?

I am more of a small time (New) local investor trying to help a fellow enthuseast....with no go so far..
I will from (NOW) take my interest somewhere else.

Makes me wonder why I even bothered for so long. No offence to people directed personally....Given no choice though.

No correspondance so far, no more for me.....whatever happens, wish you all the best involved.

Makes me question the claims which seem to be fabricated. Patents seem to be a issue??....
????What is the negative to stop such a promising detector being released???? WHATS THE UNDERLING PROMBLEM?????

Good luck to you all involved.

You guys can figure it out!!

Sid

[Carl-NC]

Robby, do you have such a problem with Moodz' efforts that you feel the need to incessantly badger him? I don't understand the obsession with some of you guys. I personally have some doubts about his approach but I'm perfectly willing to be wrong. If you don't like what he's doing say, "I don't like what your doing" and let it go, or take it elsewhere.