Ivconic's new device

[Xtrem]

Ivica , im 94-99% shure, that the 50 euro banknotes are 5000 .
but they are 200 banknotes too ,
i know i have lost my change, and the stupid AI dont know.

[ivconic]

That's why is so tricky to guess the figure.
Different banknotes in bunch.
BTW it is an old gamblers visual trick!

[ivconic]

From 2018, when I developed my first "Euromag3D" to today, numerous customers and users constantly complain to me why my devices and software do not have a "depth measurement" function.
And at the same time, they demand that I add it in the next revisions.
It is difficult to explain the true facts to "dreamers".
Magnetometers, particularly gradiometers, can detect variations in the Earth's magnetic field caused by buried objects or geological structures.
However, directly measuring depth is not always straightforward.
Instead, depth estimation relies on analyzing the magnetic anomaly's shape, width, and amplitude.
Methods for Depth Estimation with a Magnetometer (Gradiometer)
- Half-Width Rule (Simplest Approach)
- Euler Deconvolution (Mathematical Approach)
Uses the magnetic field's gradient to estimate the source's depth and location.
Requires choosing a "structural index" (related to the object's geometry, e.g., sphere, cylinder, fault).
Common in geophysical software (e.g., Oasis Montaj, Geosoft).
- Inverse Modeling (Advanced Approach)
Software (e.g., Mag2DC, GM-SYS) creates a 2D/3D model of the subsurface that matches measured data.
Adjusts depth, size, and magnetic properties iteratively for best fit.
- Multiple-Sensor or Multi-Height Surveys
Measuring the same area at different heights helps distinguish shallow vs. deep sources.
Shallow objects produce sharp, high-amplitude anomalies.
Deep sources generate broader, weaker signals.
Limitations & Challenges:
Magnetic properties matter: Ferrous metals (high susceptibility) are easier to detect than weakly magnetic materials.
Noise interference: Nearby structures, power lines, or geological noise can distort signals.
Gradiometers improve shallow detection but may struggle with very deep targets (>10–20 m, depending on object size).
While a magnetometer alone cannot directly "measure" depth, depth estimation is possible using analytical techniques (half-width rule, Euler deconvolution) or modeling.
For higher accuracy, combine magnetometry with other geophysical methods (e.g., ground-penetrating radar or electrical resistivity tomography).
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Several key reasons explain why certain manufacturers (like OKM or some Turkish brands) claim their magnetometers or "multi-sensor detectors" can precisely measure depth,
even though this is technically impossible or highly unreliable:

-Marketing deception and exaggerated claims
False advertising: some manufacturers intentionally exaggerate device capabilities to attract buyers (especially those without technical knowledge).
-Unverifiable demonstrations: Promotional videos often use prearranged setups or data manipulation.
-Buzzword exploitation: Terms like "3D scanning," "exact depth up to 20m," or "AI analysis" create an illusion of advanced technology.
-Technical Limitations of Magnetometers & Gradiometers
Magnetometers don’t measure depth directly—they only detect magnetic field variations.
Depth can only be estimated (e.g., via anomaly width), never with absolute accuracy.

Factors causing errors:
-Object size and shape
-Magnetic properties of materials
-Interference from other metals or geological structures
-Earth’s magnetic field fluctuations
-Sensor Fusion and Fake "3D Technology"
- Some expensive devices (e.g., OKM EXP 6000 or Turkish Jeohunter) combine:
a) Magnetometers,
b) Metal detectors,
c) Pseudoscientific methods (e.g., "radio frequencies" or "resonance").

They lack true 3D tomographic imaging (like GPR or seismic sensors).
Software generates simulated images from vague data, creating a false sense of precision.
The "targets" are often beginners or treasure hunters ( I like to call them "dreamers").
Unrealistic expectations: buyers believe they’ll find "buried treasure chests at 10m depth."
Lack of technical knowledge: many users don’t understand geophysics and fall for marketing claims.
Fake reviews: some manufacturers pay for fake testimonials or delete negative comments.
How to spot a scam:
- Measure depth below 1m accurately (possible, but with significant error).
- Detect non-metallic objects (wood, ceramics) with a magnetometer = impossible.
(When we mention ceramics; except in special cases of ancient ceramics with a huge percentage of ferro-oxide. A very narrow band of possibilities and slim chances).
- Scan depths beyond 5m precisely = highly suspicious.
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Conclusion: why do these claims persist?
Profit motive: cheap devices are sold at high prices due to false promises.
Lack of regulation: no standardized testing for these devices.
Human psychology: people prefer "magic tech" over scientific facts.

For real depth measurement, use:
1) GPR (Ground-Penetrating Radar) for shallow objects.
2) Electrical resistivity tomography for greater depths.
3) Seismic refraction for geological surveys.

Magnetometers are useful but cannot give exact depth—only estimates!
Always verify claims with independent research before buying.

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Lately, it has been popular among the people some kind of "Conrad xyz"... "scanner"... and it is often mentioned.
The established practice of most of the Turkish and others small producers is to give "German" names to their handicrafts.
"Conrad" is a long-known name and breed of an Austrian-German trading house, which has a whole chain of shopping centers throughout Austria and Germany (probably also throughout the EU, I'm not sure, I haven't checked).
"Conrad" has a habit of reselling various products that do not have a recognizable brand, often making strange deals by sticking their "Conrad" stickers on some third-rate products.
The last time I visited a "Conrad" department store in Austria was back in 1992, when I bought a White's Eagle IIc metal detector there.
However, that real Austrian "Conrad" DOESN'T HAVE THE SLIGHTEST CONNECTION with the "stick" magnetometer that says "Conrad" ("scanner").
Turkey is still not a member of the EU. I suspect that this is the main reason why those and similar attempts are still not sanctioned.
Because in the last few years, the most of such attempts come from Turkey.
Even China has passed very restrictive laws that have been in place for the past few years.
These days, you can't sell a clone or similar copy of a Western product from China.
The Chinese authorities conduct constant monitoring of the market and severely punish such attempts.
The famous Chinese copies of Garrett, Fisher and Minelab detectors can no longer be found so easily even on Aliexpress.
In a conversation with a colleague from China, I learned that China has agreed to strict control and absolute protection of the copyrights of producers from the West.
This is good news for China as well as for the rest of the world.
But there are still a few parts of the planet where "everything is allowed".
Turkey, Kuwait and some other Arab countries. This is where the biggest similar production of such devices come from today, on the topic we are dealing with here on the forum.
"Made in Germany", "Made in USA"... whenever you see these claims prominently displayed on an advertisement; have a 99% doubt about the credibility in advance.
Why is "Made in Germany" such a beloved sentence in Turkey?
Because there are more than 5 million Turks in Germany.
And because it is easiest to start a "company" in Germany.
You don't even need to go to Germany.
You can complete everything online through German agencies.
You need to fill out forms and deposit a certain amount in advance to an account of those agencies.
To be honest, I myself was thinking of starting a "company" of the "Made in Germany" type.
But I gave up.
Too late for me to make such "business".

[ivconic]

And so... here I am... I make and sell devices and kits...
less often complete devices because the price is higher (1300e) and more often kits because the price is more than "social" (280e).
(refers to "Euromag3D" that I did so far)
But then some "Conrad xyz pipe" appears or some OKM, aggressive advertisements clearly state that these devices directly "detect" gold, tons of gold, mountains of gold... but not only that; they also determine the depth very precisely!
The prices of such devices are from 800-8000e! (Some OKM even several tens of thousands of euros).
And of course, the customer calls me and immediately complains why my device does not measure the depth?
"Your device is mediocre, it's probably not good, how can the OKM measure the depth in mm accuracy and at the same time show you a much clearer picture of the object... and your device can't do all that!?"
Unfortunately, 90% of the clientele are like this. And there are some who immediately think out loud like:
"Only 1300e (280e for kit)!? So that's not worth anything! It's not for nothing OKM price is ten thousand euros!"
And some convince me over the phone that they saw with their own eyes how OKM clearly drew a dozen gold coins for them at a depth of 2 meters and showed the depth very accurately!
I thought for years that conventional metal detectors were the hardest possible commodity to sell to uneducated buyers. And then I started working with magnetometers...


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A quick flashback... about 6-7 years ago, a man (cretin) calls me on the phone and says:
"Is that "master" Ivica? (Usually, when I hear "master", "brother"... I know what's coming next...)
I have a problem with the detector,
I haven't used it for a few years and now that I turned it on it doesn't work like it used to, it obviously needs service..."
I ask:
"What is the brand and model of the detector?"
He replies:
"White's 6000 DI PRO"
I ask:
"How does it behave, what's the problem, does it work anything?"
He replies:
"Yes, but it doesn't have the depth it used to have!?"
I ask:
"For example...?"
He will say then:
"Well, in the past it easily detected a gold coin at a 1m to a 1.2m... and now barely at 15-20 cm..."
I am speechless for a second, hang up the phone... I have no comment.



I think only two factors are always present in such stories:
1) Ignorance, illiteracy and natural stupidity of man.
2) Loads of false advertising from unscrupulous sellers/manufacturers.
(in this story White's certainly does not fall into that category)

When we talk about magnetometers today...multiply this story from above by at least 1 million...to get an idea of the amount of stupidity and ignorance that is in circulation among people.
Ok, not everyone is born with a vast knowledge of everything, I don't blame people for that.
But what bothers me is that in most cases someone who has had the device for some time (any device) calls me and asks some basic and trivial questions, on the basis of which it is clear
that the cretin did not even want to read the manual that comes with the device!
That's why I think that this branch of economy and trade... is the most grateful for fraudsters, charlatans, liars and thieves... provided that they are somewhere far away and safe in
a country that does not have harmonized laws with the rest of the world, and at the same time these same characters somehow manage to add the famous "Made in Germany" to their "product"!
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My first visit to the Geotech forum, back in 2000 and some .. as an unregistered member still, by chance the first topic I came across:
Carl describes the story of how he publicly challenged some scammer in front of a large audience to demonstrate on the spot how some nonsensical LRL works that this guy was trying to sell there at a fabulous price.
It attracted me and I thought: "This is the right forum for me!"
My long loyalty to the forum is primarily related to this very important role that this forum plays.
Schematics, pcbs, this and that, it's all in the background. Disclosure of harsh facts, education and help to people; it's in the foreground! That's what drew me to the forum!
If anyone has objections to my previous couple of posts, please keep this in mind first. My intentions are not bad and they are not directed against anyone personally.
Times are harsh, this world is harsh, life is hard. Everyone is fighting for their survival as best they can.
But the truth is always good for everyone (even cheaters, in the long run, because it will make them do better next time).

[ivconic]

... the cretin did not even want to read the manual that comes with the device!...

This is the explanation why my friend from the place (and five others I know) even today, a year(s) after buying Deus 2, does not know how to use it...
It is also the answer why Deus 2, Equinox, Manticore... are quite "controversial" models today on many forums on the net!
But it also answers the question why I bought a Vanquish 340 and I have no intention of changing it!