How Do I Magnetize Black Sand?????

[maikl]

The book indicates that you can magnetize iron, and can magnetize some black sands, perhaps not all black sands, so I will take my chances in order to try and recover an very large amount of fine gold concentrates that I have found in one area. The author of the book indicated he had virtually no black sands remaining in the material, just some stuff like bits and pieces of detrius that he removed through subsequent washing of the concentrates, and he ended up with am very large amount of fine gold from the material. I am sold on the process, just want to find out how to make the magnetizer units. I have made a lot of money doing things that others do not belive, and my philosophy is "nothing ventured, nothing gained". I have even refined gold, and built my own refinery cells, which others do not know how to do. That means if you do not try, you certainly will fail...I am not deterred by the doubts of other people. I have built race cars and race engines, so you will understand I am very mechanical minded and not dumb. If it does not work, I have the intelligence to figure out why it does not work and fix it. The impossible just takes a little longer to do it...

Melabeta do not be angry I have the good intention. I live in the city but the village people give ground on the analysis to know what is missing (my country is much poorer than yours). You send a sample to a South American country if you do not have money

[Melbeta]

I am not mad, just explained it to you....

Melabeta do not be angry I have the good intention. I live in the city but the village people give ground on the analysis to know what is missing (my country is much poorer than yours). You send a sample to a South American country if you do not have money

Maikl,
I am not mad. I am aware from my mail order electronic business, that people from Brazil and Argentina, use the word "doubts" a lot in their translations. This is regarding "their thoughts" about something. So I explained "my doubts" to you... I have NO doubts! I am convinced it works!

So let me explain it further. A chemical or spectrographic analysis will not determine whether or not the black sands will magnetize or not, due to varying mineral contaminants that may be in each and every piece of black sands. Black sands are not wholly 100% iron, nor are each piece of black sand exactly the same. So one can say, that some black sands will magnetize easier or more easily than other black sands, and vice versa.

Just like mercury will grab some gold easily, and not grab other gold at all. Depends on what is attached with the gold. So consider me like a "steer", all I can do "is try"! If every black sand particle was "a bull", I would not be worrying on the "trys".

So the only way to determine that, is to ACTUALLY build the magnetizer unit, and so far, there has not been any material on how to actually build that DC magnetizer unit.

If there is a circuit for it, then unless the cost is out of this world, I am determined to see the project through.

Now, I can dissolve away the black sands, after cleaning them up, but it takes time and acid, and I am tired of acid refining.

Imagine, if they do magnetize, I can simply remove them with a strong magnet inside a paper cup. No muss, no fuss! See why I am interested?

[technos]

the last page of material on the process...

Thanks for taking the time to post the pictures/pages from the book. That explains a lot and is very interesting. It will hold me over until I get the book in a little while. Does it say anywhere in the book how fast the conveyor belt is moving? The hopper looks small, like it's not meant to handle much black sand at a time.

It seems to me (i.e. my hypothesis) that it's the pure iron sand being pushed aside by the first magnet. What stays in the middle is the ore ilmenite, which is only weakly magnetic. So the next DC magnet (above the conveyor belt) tries to impart a magnetic field to it which is then reluctantly scooted aside by the next two ac magnets.

Interestingly ilmenite has a small value to it. If you could find a buyer for it I estimate (from some rough calculations) it would fetch about $75 for a pickup load. The reason is that ilmenite is part iron ore and part titanium dioxide, which when separated from the iron ore appears white and is used as a white tint base in everything from paint to cosmetics. It's why the gallon of paint that you buy at Home Depot is heavier than a similar quantity of water. But it does take a fair amount of processing to remove the titanium dioxide from the ore.

There are dozens of patents for separating black sands, so this is not the first machine to do it (and maybe not the best). Many are centered around a vertical chute with magnets, which may be quite a bit easier to build (and more economical to operate) than this machine. Further investigation is necessary with more careful calculations. I didn't see anything obviously like what's in this book with a conveyor belt

When your done processing the black sand, you might try the Blue Bowl as part of a final step.

[Melbeta]

No he did not say anything on the speed....

Thanks for taking the time to post the pictures/pages from the book. That explains a lot and is very interesting. It will hold me over until I get the book in a little while. Does it say anywhere in the book how fast the conveyor belt is moving? The hopper looks small, like it's not meant to handle much black sand at a time.
I think he only processed a small amount at a time, in order to magnetize the black sand. and he did not say anything about the speed, the conveyer was only used for the magnetizing and removal of black sand.

It seems to me (i.e. my hypothesis) that it's the pure iron sand being pushed aside by the first magnet. What stays in the middle is the ore ilmenite, which is only weakly magnetic. So the next DC magnet (above the conveyor belt) tries to impart a magnetic field to it which is then reluctantly scooted aside by the next two ac magnets.
The first magnet got rid of the magnetic magnetite black sand. And you are probably right about the ilmenite. The DC magnet was used to magnetize the remaining black sand, and then removed.

Interestingly ilmenite has a small value to it. If you could find a buyer for it I estimate (from some rough calculations) it would fetch about $75 for a pickup load. The reason is that ilmenite is part iron ore and part titanium dioxide, which when separated from the iron ore appears white and is used as a white tint base in everything from paint to cosmetics. It's why the gallon of paint that you buy at Home Depot is heavier than a similar quantity of water. But it does take a fair amount of processing to remove the titanium dioxide from the ore.
gold refinerys will buy titanium metal, not sure if titanium dioxide, I ahve sold titanium metal to the refinerys along with gold, and they buy and pay for the titanium. Another reason to remove it separately.

There are dozens of patents for separating black sands, so this is not the first machine to do it (and maybe not the best). Many are centered around a vertical chute with magnets, which may be quite a bit easier to build (and more economical to operate) than this machine. Further investigation is necessary with more careful calculations. I didn't see anything obviously like what's in this book with a conveyor belt
Al McGowan was a very well known Colorado miner, who decided that he could make money pulling out sand, and sell it after recovering the precious metals. All I really seek is the DC magnet, as the rest I can improvise in my operation.

When your done processing the black sand, you might try the Blue Bowl as part of a final step.

Yes, he proceeded to wash the material, using his own equipment which he also built, removing any further traces of missed particles to obtain the fine flour gold. It was very interesting. H. Glenn Carson witnessed the operation.

[technos]

Al McGowan was a very well known Colorado miner, who decided that he could make money pulling out sand, and sell it after recovering the precious metals. All I really seek is the DC magnet, as the rest I can improvise in my operation.

And hence why you can buy bags of "washed sand" at Home Depot! And why maybe many years ago I never did find any black sand with my gold panning experiments!

I could only find small electromagnets available and they seem quite pricey. The magnets that were used in this design could have been custom made.

[Melbeta]

I figured that out already too....

And hence why you can buy bags of "washed sand" at Home Depot! And why maybe many years ago I never did find any black sand with my gold panning experiments!

I could only find small electromagnets available and they seem quite pricey. The magnets that were used in this design could have been custom made.

Yes, I figured that out already too. There is not much of a market for those kinds of things, they are a specialized item. Just like the Moebus electrolytic gold refining cells, they are not out there either, you have to have them made, only gold refinerys would even want an Moebus cell.

I know a guy in town, he is manager of a company, if he is still there and not laid off now, that makes, or did make, transformers and coils, and he can build such a device, if I only had some idea of what the DC magnetizer unit would entail. He could even build the power supply for it, as you would have to have that also....

He has coil winding machines, and can wind a unit, that will have sufficient ability to create a strong DC magnetic field. That is, if it is possible to magnetize the remaining black sands. Right now, I do not have any. If anyone has some black sand, why not remove what is magnetic, with a magnet, then put the black sand that is not magnetic, into one of the tool magnetizer units, and see if it will magnetize that black sand. If it does, then it is feasible.

You do not even need the other AC magnetizers, as that black sand is already magnetized. Just dry it and put a strong magnet inside a paper cup, and drag it around and through the dry black sands, and it picks everything up that is magnetic.

Then you take the cup over a container, where you want to put the black sand, remove the magnetic, the black sand drops off the cup, and down into your container. I have done that in the past, but there is still a lot of black sand that is not magenetic!

Because of that, all I want to do, is magnetize the remaining black sands, that is not attracted to a magnet, so I can do the same thing with it. That should remove sufficient black sands, that one can use a spiral washer, blue unit, or whatever to further separate what you cannot magentize...

[ashkelon]

hello friend
i am sure that you find fake golds, mostly there are many metallic minerals mix the sand, yellow colored and bright metallic minerals are PYRITE in the sand.

[homefire]

LOL!

Have any of you ever even Panned Gold?

Most of the Replies seem to lead to people that have NO idea what it's like never mind Separation of Black sands from Gold.

Yes some Black sands contain Gold in Miniscule amounts.

The Idea is to clean the gold of the black sands contaminates.

Any one wishing to try there Idea's of separations of Gold From Black sands, I will send you a sample of same for shipping only.

Every sample will contain black sands with visible gold if Hand panned out.

You pay shipping only.

I currently have about a 1/2 lb of material to offer.

[Melbeta]

You can think what you want to think...

hello friend
i am sure that you find fake golds, mostly there are many metallic minerals mix the sand, yellow colored and bright metallic minerals are PYRITE in the sand.

My friend,
It is a free world, and everyone can think what they want to think, and as you think that way, let me first inform you, that I have studied Geology at an University here in the United States, and I know the difference of real gold from fake gold, that I know the difference of various metallic minerals that end up in the sand that look like real gold, and I know the difference between Pyrite, Chalcopyrite, Magnitite, and the other minerals. And if you read more closely, you will see that I used to operate and run a Gold and Silver refining company, and I did assays.

Now, since you posted as a question, I will answer that question. Yes, I have found "fake" gold, I have also found "real gold", and yes, I have found all kinds of minerals, and I have found all kinds of precious and semi-precious gemstone minerals, and yes, I have even found meteorites, and yes, I know the differences between fake meteorites and real meteorites.

I have also performed all kinds of prospecting here in the mountains, and I was a representive for Hoover and Strong, in the past. If you do a search for Hoover and Strong, it should become evident to you, that I am NOT a newbie to what I am seeking...

And based upon my knowledge, all I seek now, is a method of magnetizing the pyrites, that are not magnetic. I can remove the magnetic pyrites, but not the non-magnetic pyrites. That is it! That is ALL the information I seek. If you know that, then tell me.

[technos]

LOL!

Have any of you ever even Panned Gold?

Yes some Black sands contain Gold in Miniscule amounts.

I think the whole idea behind this black sand separator is to process a large amount of material. So even if a single pan may not have much show, processing a couple tons of it might make it worthwhile.

[Melbeta]

Thank you HomeFire!!!!!

LOL!

Have any of you ever even Panned Gold?

Most of the Replies seem to lead to people that have NO idea what it's like never mind Separation of Black sands from Gold.

Yes some Black sands contain Gold in Miniscule amounts.

The Idea is to clean the gold of the black sands contaminates.

Any one wishing to try there Idea's of separations of Gold From Black sands, I will send you a sample of same for shipping only.

Every sample will contain black sands with visible gold if Hand panned out.

You pay shipping only.

I currently have about a 1/2 lb of material to offer.

Thank you HomeFire,
You have "cut to the chase", and you have emphasized the task, mentioned the problem and goal, and you understand what I have asked, and you know and understand the problem.

For those who do not understand, I will again state my intentions. All I want to do is separate the mass volume of black sands that are not easily separated from the "fine" concentrates. What I have found, is very fine placer deposits from the famous Cripple Creek lode deposits, Calaverite and Sylvanite, with black sands.

I can remove the magnetic black sands quite easily, it is difficult to remove the non-magnetic black sands, which co-mingle with the gold, silver, and platinum. It is too costly and time consuming, to use letharge, cupels, furnaces, and parting acids to separate the precious from the non-precious.

The refinerys do not want to fool with it either. In Cripple Creek, they work with lode ore, but what I have found, is "ancient" placer deposits of fine concentrates from weathered Cripple Creek lode ore, found in ancient flood plain deposits. I will go no further on what I have found, those will gold placer experience will know what I am speaking about.

If the particles were large, and not many, I could and would pick them out with tweezers, but alas, they are not large particles. ...And the black sands are fine and many! And I do not like Mercury. And the contaminants do not lend themselves to electrolytic refining.

[homefire]

Mercury is not as bad as some think.

Like other things under your kitchen sink it can kill you if used wrong.

Ok!

Here you Go!

http://www.nuggethunters.com/blacksand.html

http://www.nuggethunters.org/Leaching.txt

http://webpages.charter.net/kwilliam...cs/halides.htm

http://webpages.charter.net/kwilliam...cs/mercury.htm

I'm 52 been using it for years and still have my teeth and not dead yet!

Oh maybe a little dead.

[Melbeta]

Yes, I know that, and I do not want any more EPA!!!

Mercury is not as bad as some think.

Like other things under your kitchen sink it can kill you if used wrong.

Ok!

Here you Go!

http://www.nuggethunters.com/blacksand.html

http://www.nuggethunters.org/Leaching.txt

http://webpages.charter.net/kwilliam...cs/halides.htm

http://webpages.charter.net/kwilliam...cs/mercury.htm

I'm 52 been using it for years and still have my teeth and not dead yet!

Oh maybe a little dead.

First of all, I am much older than you are. And I still have all of my teeth, except two plus 2 wisdom teeth. So I am a bit less "wisdom" then you are. And I am aware of what you propose. And I will say, yes, that is okay for someone who has not had prior problems with the EPA.

But I have had my problems with the EPA, and I do not want any problems with them in the future. And I am no longer permitted to do such chemical work, as I would not be in compliance now with EPA regulations. What I am trying to say is, "they have trained me"", and "they have trained me well", and I do not require any more of the EPA training! Nor do I want any!

I no longer have my operation in town, and the EPA sure would not want me disposing of chemicals out here where I live. It costs money to properly dispose of chemicals today. It would get into my well water and others well water too. I do not need trouble. It would be a lengthy process for me to dispose of chemicals, and it would bring the EPA to my home now, and my wife would kill me...

They look me up every once in a while, to make sure I have not forgotten my training.

I need to try that "clean" method of trying to make a strong electromagnet and lift the pyrites away. No more chemicals or mercury for me. If any of you fellows want some pure Zinc powder, to precipate out your acid dissolved precipent, let me know, as I still have a lot of barrels of that Zinc powder stored in my warehouse. No more acids here... and no more Mercury here either.

Some fellows from Cripple Creek wanted me to join them, and use an empty sugar beet factory building at Sugar City CO, and remove gold from Cripple Creek ore. Imagine the transportation costs? Mountains in Cripple Creek, to Sugar City, then to other places for other treatments and sale, as well. Equipment, Roasting ore, furnaces, tanks, leaching, Acids, Cyanides, residue, compounds, EPA, etc, no way!

I told them "na da"! I warned them about EPA, but they think they will "be okay". The high prices on gold and platinum brings all the worms out of the wood work today.

[homefire]

Why would you be disposing of Useful chemicals.

All are 100% recoverable.

Sorry to hear your afraid of the man!

Sealed 5 gal buckets I use and have never dumped any of it.

Even the flushing water is cleaned and used.

[maikl]

Hi Melbeta.Nazis during World War II mine gold from sea water.The procedure of removing too expensive.It can happen in this case.