Deephunter - THE Newest Hitec Treasure- & Cavity-Finder !

[Funfinder]

Hi and yes, this works really good but of course it is always the question of the amount of mineralization in relation to depth and find size.


The new DeepHunters motion-circuit is very good balanced concerning ground-effect versus find-sensitivity.


If you lift the coil very suddenly directly vertically up from a high mineralized ground you will hear a high-sound signal
(it sounds different compared to usual finds),
but if you set the ground balance to a good position so it matches the ground you even can sweep
extremly close or directly over high mineralized soil and you only will hear if there is buried a find!


In fact this is a question of very good contrast factor concerning the different "mineralization plus metalization"-degrees.
This has also an effect on the discrimination accuracy and the different tune of audio-tone output for different metals.

As example if you set the ground balance to 10 which matches with very high mineralization, the usual background-signals (the critical adjustment signals)
also will be slightly deeper because the DeepHunter that way is more focused to/on the contrast-factor of high mineralization.
But that way you will get much more sensitivity for low conductive metal or small gold-alloy-stuff like rings or chains at high mineralized soil as if this "GEB-Level" would be realized different.


This of course also means that you will get extremly high sensitivity for silver, alu, pure gold and other very high conductive metal objects if the ground is light mineralized.
But this now was just the "technical experts answer"


For the usual detector user with a setting at ground balance 5 he will have a very good performance
for every kind of detectable metal at super depth and at even already starting higher mineralized ground!


No problem if there are very high electro-smog sources close.
And even while sweeping very fast over a huge range the detector will give no false beeps that are coming from the ground.


I will make a test at my brick-stone test-field and film it, so you can get an impression how the DeepHunter performs at extremly high mineralized soil.

[Orbit]

Support from me!

[Funfinder]

battery 25cm under bricks test

@ Orbit
you're welcome


The test object is a 5,5cm long and 3,5cm thick 1.5V battery. In air it was detectable at that medium electro-smog location at 60 cm with good signal!


But also the buried under bricks test worked amazingly good. Those bricks have some small cracks and spaces inbetween and not all have the same mineralization degree, but the DeepHunter found the battery with a clear signal even 10cm above the bricks surface at that e-smog location - this is in total around 35cm or 1 feet deep.

A much better test could have been made if those bricks would be pulverized or broken into very little pieces and if it would be done at an electro-smog free location, but that way now the test shows very good the performance of the DeepHunter under extreme tough conditions.


by the way a very suprising info concerning the accu-life time while hunting -

the user-manual tells the batteries will last for 25 hours but I have now already hunted for 40 hours with the DeepHunter and the batteries are still not empty!
I will inform you how long the 3500mA 14.8v LiPo battery pack really will work with motion mode 2.


And another good news:
You can hunt with this detector even directly 5 meters near train-routes with still good results! Most other motion-detectors are going totally crazy there.
But the DeepHunter is very flexibel, it detects lightning that is 7 kilometers far away but it also gives still a very good target signal close to high e-smog sources.

And the absolutly best for real treasure-hunters who like to hunt for many hours per day is the hanging-the-detector-box-around-the-neck solution!!
Only that way anyone can hunt - especially with the larger coils - the whole day easily and explore huge areas really motivated and comfortable.


Here's the upload link of the zip file with the movie plus some additional pix:
http://www.multiupload.nl/W4HP39ZZ4S


good luck

[Funfinder]

Here are some corrections of the DeepHunter Info pdfs:


- After testing it I found out that the Motion Mode 2 search time is 75 !!! hours (not 25 hours). This is a 3x improvement
and a very long hunting time! Mode 1 is 6h, not just 4. Btw. the DeepHunter package contains already 2 accu packs.

- The LiPo accu-pack has 14,8 volt, not 16,8. The accu is 4 x 3,7V = 14.8v while the peak loading voltage is 16.8 ( 4 x 4,2 volt)
the accu-pack contains two parallel wired 4 x 1650 mA or even 2000 mA accus, here a sketch:
. /--3,7--3,7--3,7--3,7--\
-- . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .--
. \--3,7--3,7--3,7--3,7--/

- The security info tells that you should discharge the accu monthly. This is not needed and perhaps not possible,
because that way the charger would first have to discharge that high mA accu very fast, and there is no LED that
signalizes this. I'm having now the old Jeohunter Accus since 2010 and they are still good working.
To keep accus alive the only thing to do is charge them every 6 months and keep them stored at some cool and dry place.
It's good to remove them from the device if those device has no complete off switch. Most smart-phones and digicams
are all the time in standby-Modus and that way of course the accu-power will get empty after a few months.


And:
In the last post I wrote: "the DeepHunter detects lightning that is 7 kilometers away"
Well - for the moment I can't confirm this. There were some special erratic beeps while I hunted when a thunderstorm was
some kilometers away but now I got that same beeps on that high electro-smog search site also when there was good weather.
It could be that those special beeps are coming from some summing-up special electro-smog source but those are very
seldom (perhaps one in every 5 minutes at high sensitivity level 9) and don't disturb the good detection signals at all.

[Kerimov]

Nice, but is it not just a Nokta poor copy? Do you know Golden King or Velox One? Just compare Velox One to http://makrodetector.com/cf77-define-dedektorumuz.html

[Funfinder]

Hi,

so far I haven't compared the performance of the Nokta Velox with the MakroDetector CoinFinder77 because I have none of them.

As far as I know Nokta started first with some motion-circuit detectors including the Velox because of better sensitivity for very
small stuff and coins and MakroDetector a few months later built the DeepHunter and the CF 77.
From the outside and the buttons the Velox and the CoinFinder look pretty identical but I have no idea about the electronic.


But the DeepHunter is different - it combines everything while the Nokta detectors still are seperated in an overpriced
Golden King with not really needed features and the Velox. So if someone wants the same features from Nokta as the DeepHunter includes,
at least the price will be around 1000 dollars higher and 2 detectors must be transported. This is totally unpracticable.


And: the DeepHunter now comes with a much smaller carrying bag with rucksack-function:
Jeohunter: 85cm x 50cm x 13cm
DeepHunter: 60cm x 40cm x 15cm


by the way: topic battery-life and weight with Motion Mode 2:

The DeepHunter runs 75h with one full charged Li-Ion pack while the Velox works only 25h with a set of 8 Alkaline AA 1.5 volt batteries.
If somebody uses a set of rechargable 1,2v NiMH accus they may just last for 15 hours and they provide just 9,6v instead of 12v while
the DeepHunter runs with 14,8v. And because of the already too heavy weight of the Velox (but this is the same with the CF 77) the
battery pack has already some belt-holding-case. For coin searching and for a short time it may be OK, but not with the large 45cm coil
and 8 hours per day or something like that.

In that case the DeepHunter is much better and convenient to use with the hanging-around-the-neck-box.


Seen under real conditions at a so far unknown but antique site using the DeepHunter:

it starts already by reaching a larger area 'cause the 45cm coil can be used much more comfortable.
If someone found interesting old ruins or structures now he can check out directly if there is cavity
or if there is something very deep - even already with the 45cm non-motion coil and Mode 1.


update:
> To keep accus alive the only thing to do is charge them every 6 months and keep them stored at some cool and dry place.

here some detailed and professional accu info:
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* For storing it's even better to charge the Li-Po or Li-Ion accus only to around 75% full and recharge them after 6 months -
if you wanna store them for another half year then, recharge them again just to 75% full and so on).

* The best temperature to use them is from 15-30° Celcius and for storing around 5° (fridge or relative cold).

* The new generation LiIon or LiPo accus are much better than those from some years ago and they are fully functioning now for a very long time
and much more recharging cycles, especially if they are not used until complete empty, but just as long as they are around 90% depleted.


*** For using the accu-pack with the DeepHunter of course you can charge it completly full and use it until the empty warning comes,
because at that time the accu still has 10% power left.

[mishot]

Can you show us video(you made it) how deephunter detects cavity?

[Funfinder]

lightweight motion-coil holder mod

hi mishot,

thanx for the good idea but first I need to find a good location, at the moment I have no idea where I could make such a test and video.
Perhaps if must dig some cave or bury an empty wooden chest by myself first or I find some sewer pipes below a street - not so easy
at the moment but I will think about your wish and try to show you how the DeepHunter detects cavity.

As far as I know at the Jeohunter thread I made some cavity test already, but first I have to check out at what page it is and if the
video still is available on the internet.


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First some other good news:

I forgot to say that because the DeepHunter and the CF77 from Makro-Detector was created a few months later than the Nokta detectors,
they were of course further and better improved in this time, which means that the DeepHunter and CoinFinders electronic works better now.


But there exists a simple but super improvment-possibility: the DeepHunter package should contain one extra holder for the motion coils:

The usual holder for the 45cm non-motion coil contains a new very good push-button-field but for the motion coil this is not needed and
it is easier to work and directly start with hunting if the motion-coil uses a different pole and holder-handle.


But first I have to say that the weight now is really very good improved.

The holes for the plastic-screws have the same size so you can use the very lightweight poles and holder from Garrett with the motion-coils.
All what is needed is some around 1,5mm thick rubber disc with hole in it and the Garrett coil holder fits perfectly for the DeepHunter coils.

The holding weight really is fantastic this way:

very stable C47 motion coil (47cm) weight: 1,2 kg
plus Garrett poles and holder: 1,45 kg

32coil weight: 0,850 kg
plus Garrett poles and holder: only 1,1 kg - this is an unbeatable weight for a detector with such extreme good performance !!!



The Box weight complete with carry-bag and accu pack is 2,025 kg but that weight doesn't matter, what counts is the weight the
treasure hunter has to carry with his arms, coil and holder in one hand and shovel plus bag in the other hand. (accu old: 430g, accu new: 320g)

I have tested it for 100s of times what is the best, how you can save energy and prolong your motivation for treasurehunting under real conditions.
And even already a little bit too heavy coil including holder seen in relation to your arm-strenght and condition can ruin the whole treasure-Hunting fun.

And for large undiscovered areas you can't hunt with a short pole where the coil moves 20cm in front of your shoes. This "technique" of course makes the coil
weight or handling much easier but for large areas the coil-center should be around 75-100cm in front of your feet so the sweeps can cover
3 meters at one time. Those are professional tips so you can get the maximum out of treasure-hunting or unknown sites - that way you can find
metal objects deep inside "untouched" woods where anyone thinks that it is unpossible to find something there at all.


The new DeepHunter combination is absolutly unbeatable!

[carslan]

I watched the videos about CF77 , seems good machine

[carslan]

http://youtu.be/nJX90Q_xvXw

[Funfinder]

thx for the links - this MDF (Metal Detector Forum) seems to be from England (guessed from the dialect) so they also
found out already how good this new Makro motion technology is, because they are testing many other good detectors, too.

Of course they haven't used the CF77 at its real high sensitivity limits - on the videos there was no background noise at all,
so perhaps they made those tests just at around sensitivity level 5-7.

The both videos also demonstrate very well the different audio signals, the DeepHunter has the same at Mode 2.
With some trained ears there are not just 3 different sounds, but also the middle-values so after a short time
somebody will recognise pretty fast what kind of find it is - depending on the search site, location, already found things etc.


Seen from the weight perspective, of course the DeepHunter is much easier to use for many hours per day,
especially if used with the large 45cm coil.

But while looking at the video I found out that Makro Detector already has lightweight poles for the CF77
including the well shaped S-handle, so if somebody wants to have the even more lightweight "handle-mod"
for the motion mode 2 coils he can use either the Garrett ones or he can get it from Makro Detector directly.

Perhaps they also will include it into the package.
Its not much work to open the plastic screws and change the coils, but its much more comfortable if
the both coils are already fixed to two different and extra poles and so always directly ready to use.



The CoinFinder CF77 is absolutly perfect for treasure-hunters with not so much money or who wanna
test first the new super-sensitive DeepHunter motion circuit before they buy it.


Of course the new DeepHunter now represents the absolute "All in 1" treasure-hunting equipment
from very small coins at 25cm depth to super deep with the 1m coil plus cavity and digital find-scanner etc.

A big thanx to Turkey, a land full of ancient treasures and real perfectionistic and proud electronic-cracks who
are brave enough for going sometimes different ways which leads to new innovations and fantastic developments
as we have it now here with the DeepHunter (and who don't fear the sometimes completly stupid mainstream crap)!


The first detector with motion and non-motion plus for ultra small and extreme deep finds incl. cavity!
A powerful, super-sensitive but also extremly flexible and tough machine... - like a real treasure-hunter also should be !!!!



The next big step yet could be to make this super-detector wireless:

A strong accu (not such a weak think as the XP Deus Coil uses) for enough coil-inductivity power
could be placed near the arm-rest of the handle for most light-weight and a small unit will create and transmit the needed signals.

Its not so complicated to realize:
The coils oscillator is a stand-alone-circuit and the ready to use output signal can be transmitted even at simple induction-level,
because the electronic box is just around 50cm away from the handle or arm-rest.
And to transmit the wireless signal the box even must not opened - a little dongle-key who is attachable
at the usual coil-connector of the box could feed it with the recreated but wireless transfered coil-cable signal,
the needed power it can get from a DC-voltage cable that comes out from the box.

But that could be the future and Makro Detector will have many such great ideas like this - for the moment everything is perfectly fine
and personally me, whenever its possible, will only hunt with the DeepHunter and therefore my experience will grow fast so I can give
you the maximum and complete selection of possible technical and practical details.


And perhaps I will go into some foreign country and find the ultra-important treasure there with the DeepHunter -
after such a find the whole world would listen and wanna knows with what detector it was found...

[Funfinder]

JeoHunter vs DeepHunter depth compare

including mineralized stone detection


I really must say that Makro-Detector also made a fantatic job by improving the non-motion-circuits depth and sensitivity !!!


As one of the few persons with Jeohunter and DeepHunter it was a Must to compare both detectors and the result is really satisfiying:



An improvement of 20% for coins and around 10% for larger and deep objects !!!

Here the in-air-test results at e-smog area, both detectors 90% sensitivity and Ground Balance value: 0 with the standard 45cm non-motion coils.

1 Euro coin, 23mm:
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JeoHunter: 25cm
DeepHunter: 30cm


Cannonball, 7cm:
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JeoHunter: 50cm
DeepHunter: 60cm


Dustpan, 22cm:
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JeoHunter: 87cm
DeepHunter: 95cm


For larger objects (50cm and more) at around 2 Meters the depth-improvement also may be around 10% compared with the JeoHunter.
And if using the large 1m coil it may be even 15-20%, because that way the medium-large objects have the same size-to-coil ratio as
an usual coin would have to the medium 45cm coil.

So the improvement for the "professional-used" non-motion-circuit is really a hit and it will pays off while hunting for hard to find
very deep treasures for shure.



The mineralized-stone was around 15cm and detectable at 30cm with the DeepHunter.

But this was just a little demonstration that the DeepHunter can find it, because nowadays besides the Blisstool with its double-beep there are almost
no other metal-detectors that find cavity or such special things at all! What a pity for the treasure-hunting world and many metal detector producers!
They are mutilate and amputate their metal-detectors and don't lose a single word about it, just making a big hype for their usual "standard" features.



The DeepHunters coil-cable now also is improved because it has now a plug-diameter that directly fits through the poles.
For improved security the region directly after the connector should be taped a little bit because while sweeping this could be
a cirtical region where the movement-forces could concentrate so to prevent cable-breaks some tape at this region is always better.
This is totally simple work - see below the pictures.


The initial country language selection screen display also is improved:
Depending on the country you are living (there are around 10 different languages in total) you can choose between english or your
personal prefered language if its available (for the most world-languages it is, like arabic, german, spain etc.).
But you can change this later back to english and again back to the home-language if you want it or if other persons wanna use it.

And also the quality of the LCD-display is improved now, even at brightness 10% setting everything is still very good readable.


Now all what we need is to get to those special and often secret or still unknown places with the DeepHunter and lets prove
us its incredible power and depth there !!! However, for me personally the JeoHunter already brought extremly good results,
but the DeepHunter with all its new and real fantastic improvements now will rock the treasure-hunting locations absolutly.

[Funfinder]

Can you show us video(you made it) how deephunter detects cavity?

Hi, I found the already made (for the JeoHunter) cavity test - please check out the pictures and the additional info below.

For a DeepHunter cavity video I need to find a special location with at least low mineralized soil. We have much limestone here but its not good enough mineralized.
Perhaps I will dig a large hole where the soil is loamy and leave there an empty room below. Just walking over some little bridge where the ground is 1 meter below is too simple.


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Buried a ca. 20x20cm plastic-bucket surrounded by and under a 10cm strong cover of mineralized bricks.

The cavity had been detected but the ground balance was important.

It was at minus 60, which is slightly higher than the Ground Balance hot bricks zero level of around minus 85.
If the GB is set lower, as example at minus 120, the bricks start to give a positive (metal) signal and difference in ground-thickness can't recognised very good.


In my experiment the cavity started 10cm below the surface.

Conclusion:
Getting the best cavity detection the ground balance setting should have the same or a little bit higher value as the mineralisation grade of the ground.
Get that value by lifting the coil from 5cm to 40cm over the ground until there is no signal at all.

If you come near the surface and the DeepHunter starts to signalize "metal", the ground balance value is to low (raise it with the plus touchpad button). Same vice versa if you hear "cavity" sound.

After this press accept and you're ready to search.



DeepHunter Ground Balance Info:

Correct Ground Balance really is important for getting the best depth and correct search results. It is not the fault of the Jeohunter if you get "wrong signals" or dig empty holes.

If you put the GB to -200, hot rocks, mineralic stones and even bricks will get recognised as "metal".

The "not detection value" of bricks / hot bricks is around -90.
And that same value for mineralic stones is around -150.

At GB -80 the sensitivity for meteorites or rusty iron or steel objects is maximum, while at plus 100 the sensitivity for noble metal is improved.

This applies to all metal detectors and means that at low mineralized soil the chance to find deep noble metal objects is higher (detectors work deeper there)
and that at high mineralized soil after adjusting ground balance to those conditions it is easier to find meteorites and iron or steel objects very deep.


If ground balance is set correctly, you even can detect some cavity halo around rusty iron objects. Shure, it is not "real cavity", but with this method you can skip digging rusty objects.

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At such short distance of course the new DeepHunter would be 20% better and by the way with this method
you also can find hidden doors behind plastered or with other methods covered walls (wooden panels etc.)
because many times the material where once was the walkthrough, open space or door, afterwards is different
compared with the wall. That way also secret inputs or previous cellar-openings can be found.


I have written it already but I wanna repeat it more simple:

For most sensitive cavity-detection the ground balance should be either exact the "zero-value" for the ground or
slightly higher so that if you hold the coil directly on the usual soil it will start already to give a cavity signal.


The DeepHunter with its manual Ground Balance and extra non-motion circuit is a very sensitive instrument
to obtain and to discover the electromagnetical attributes of the ground, of walls or other environments.


For beginners it is important not using too high sensitivity and setting the ground balance to proper adjusted level.
Experienced users can work with special Ground Balance values for special high cavity or metal detection.

And finally it is important to know that for cavity detection an at least low to medium mineralized ground is required.
Sandstone, sand-masses at deserts (if containing alot quartz and silicon) or thick layers of dry humus is not good for
cavity detection, but its fantastic for metal detection with the DeepHunter, it's like as if the objects would be in air!

[Funfinder]

DeepHunter performance @ extreme high e-smog location

Sometimes people are using strategic good locations since thousands of years for their businesses - again and again:

first there was a roman road, in medieval times a second and larger road was built, 100 years ago the railroad came,
and after this, a high voltage line for rail-roads plus a huge 360kV over-land electricity connection also was created.


Nowadays the roman road for a long distance is directly (30 meters) under the 360kV and the e-smog of the just 20m distant train-connection
and the 30m nearby highly frequented expressway plus the 100 meter away extra train-high-voltage line make hunting there almost impossible!

But just almost!!! Because the DeepHunter is really immune!
The shown tests have been made with sensitivity 9 which is already extremly high if there would be no e-smog at all!



Pinpointer markings info: The lower yellow tape is at 15cm (6 inch) and the upper at 20cm (8 inch)

The just 13x15mm small, thin, low inductive and already very "de-metalized" roman Constant. coin was found there at 20cm depth.

The hard to detect special nail (nearly totally rusted since 2000 years) was vertically in the ground,
unfindable with the usual extreme deep Blisstool LTC 64 that I used to clear the region there so far, the DeepHunter found it at 15cm depth.

The unreadable half coin was at ca. 17,5cm, also at this extremly high-esmog location - the huge high voltage pylon is only 10 meters away.


http://www.multiupload.nl/PDHP82DC7M

DeepHunter_Metal_Detector_Tests_2013.zip (15.37 MB)
The file contains 2 avi video clips and great additional pictures.

These are absolutly authentic tests. I thought I would film the next two finds I detect without knowing what is below.
The 'special nail'-movie also shows the horizontal perspective, the second signal came from the 50cm distant digicam.


This region was hunted 10 times over and over again by myself until other high sensitive detectors couldn't find anything more,
but the DeepHunter has changed this !!!!!

By the professional pride of Makro Detector and by my honored reputation as successful treasure-hunter I can assure you
that you will have the very best chances to detect so far "unfindable" stuff with the DeepHunter.

Don't waste your time and don't lose your motivation with stupid detectors if you can have the real serious stuff for the same money
or even for a much better price compared with those overpriced, far too heavy or unpractical Minelab, Garrett, XP and etc. thingies!

And if the CoinFinder CF77 is the same stable and immune against electro-smog and "mineralization-smog" like the DeepHunter is -
because this issue is often very similar - and I'm pretty shure the CF 77 is, you absolutly should convince yourself at least with
the very inexpensive CoinFinder CF77 from Makro Group how amazing deep and unbeatable powerful those two detectors are!



Picture info:
The roman coin can be seen directly at the center of the first below picture. It was originally exactly at this position.

[Funfinder]

1st posting ever written with original Metal Detector battery !

Here you see what electronic knowledge can do -

replaced the old Laptop rechargable LiIon batteries by those of the JeoHunter / DeepHunter
(both detectors are working with the same type of accus)

So this posting now contains the true power of metal-detecting,
because it uses directly the metal detectors same power-source!

On a vacation this is great, one and the same batteries are usable for the metal detector and computer.
Instead of the before 2000 mA/h now I can use 6000mA with the Laptop which is 3 times longer.

First I tried to connect the full 14,8v directly, but the Laptops balance charging cirucit requires all 3 connection-contacts inbetween, too.
And the directly net-adapter input (19v) didn't worked with 14,8v, otherwise I just would have needed a adapter-plug-cable for the accu-pack.
There are many ways leading to success, if the total simple ones are too simple a bit more complicated can work!
But better first try the simple ones for saving sometimes alot unneeded work etc.

btw. the computers power management tried to fool me:
First it showed 40 minutes battery time left while the full 6000mA where connected (the below shown 2 accupacks)
but now the laptop runs already since 1 hour 20 min while all the time and still 2minutes (7%) left is shown.
This has to do with the special charging: the 4000mA accu pack charges the 2000mA balanced charge-wired accu pack.
Therefore it is important that both accu-packs must have the same high charging state before connecting them (= effective a 14.8v parallel connection)
This way the laptops charging circuit can be tricked, because it measures the internal cell balancing voltage and discharge timing.


Seen the whole thing very special:
With my DeepHunter battery now I can directly detect and contact the Geotech forums!

Many greetings from the DeepHunter accu-power electrons to the Geotech electrons!

And I'm posting pictures directly with a thing that is shown by this thing.