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[ivconic]

"Hi, no problem Ivconic. I have nothing in my heart no rancor.
but I'm very close to a huge treasure, I smell it. after success at first night I take a movie and send for some members to share our cheers. of course not dream, a fact.."

Good spirit. Sport.
Treasure..! That is my wish also. To stop with this miserable life,get rich and spend rest of it without materialistic problems.
If you think you are close, than try to find some proven georadar and check the place. Perform all checks with all possible devices you can obtain. Once you find it be very smart. Finding treasure is only first step (and most difficult). But next step is more dangerous - how to exchange it for real money! Police are everywhere.
So...i dont need to tell you much of it, guess you already know all the aspects..

[michael]

Hi, no problem Ivconic. I have nothing in my heart no rancor.
but I'm very close to a huge treasure, I smell it. after success at first night I take a movie and send for some members to share our cheers. of course not dream, a fact.

Michael, hi.
I reside in the USA but I visit Greece twice a year. I have already read your thread about the MDL 8500, and I searched in the internet for that unit but nothing found. Definitely it does not look like a military item. Nor would someone take the components from a military detector, fabricate a box/case to place them in, just to sell it to you. It is, apparently, a unit that someone made a few years ago but for some reason did not mass produce. For the same reason, it does not show in the net anywhere.
Anyway, we are hijacking this thread, lol.

Hi, a pleasure U live in USA.
MDL be military or not, is not important. Significant is that it really works
exact what I described there. it's incredibly powerful. it's like an eagle which hunts rabbits(metals) from great altitude (at great depth). eagle name suits it not White's products.

the maximum operative depth depends on many factor , soil condition and minerals in soil , moisture , salt ... affect the depth . when the soil conditions was bad tuning the detector means reducing the sensivity and the oprative depth and more size of coil never help for penetrate more cause every time you make a larger coil your detector needs to more reduce the sensivity in automatic devices like Ps2 OR LORENZ you could not see this obviously but maybe you find this when you use of PI with manual tuning in diffrent places with diffrent soil conditions , so your right it's possiblefor lorenz or PS2 never exceed more than 2 meters depth in your working area and when a place has such soil condition the best choice (for MD) is a vlf motion detector like Minelab explorer or white's that you ignore more ferromagnetic items cause soil mostly have ferromagnetic behaviour in such conditions.

but when i said i detect an object in 7.5 depth ,the soil conidtion are very good for PI , it was a buried treasure room of about 1800 years old with 2.5*3 meters and about 1.9m height then we complete our investegations with GSSI SIR with 100Mhz antenna and then ...( it was a government project that i was a memeber of discovery team ) i dont want to discuss about that more cause i know 99% members of this forum never go for such treasure finding they work for some hobbies and having some good time with each other .
and about gems you know it has good sensevity for buried ferromagnetic items and in mineralized soil a data logger with advanced interpolation software that ignore or autocorrect mineral effect doing like a miracle.but i know if you try your test field with a datalogging PI your results improving in quaility.

Hi Alex, it seems you're professional it THing realm. nice to become more acquainted each other in PM. especially when see you have done some projects with government. that's it .another realistic field experienced guy
who I every time looking for and never lose getting together. the more of them the better.
Oh, you pointed to an interesting thing; using VLFs to scavenge surface of junk metals.

[ivconic]

"..and every time we use zahori remember you Ivconic.."

Personally, i would be much more happy if you remember me every time you look on your TGSL handmade. But first you have to decide and make it. Much more benefits from it than Zahori.

Anyhow...you have right at some points Michael , but also there are some point i can not agree (like always )...
You can not change me, and i can not change you...wich is very strange cose i managed somehow to change RObert, hardest man on planet
I am not sure RObert did that, what you just told us. At the time he was naive and let 4 other people to use his old nick and password. Lot of damage done than, here, on RObert's account. So...he realised what donkey he was than, leaving other smucks to represent themselves as RObert.
Carl actually did the right thing banning that member out. Now we have here real and only one Roberts (one person)...
So leave hard feelings Michael and start all over again...
Regards!

Alex...i will not put any comment on your last post...just ha,ha,ha!
Please, friendly asking ; What have you done than? Detector started with BEEP's and you dug 7.5 meters? Right? Actually you dug 7.5 meters hole and checked what was there? Right? With PI? Right?
Once you started your story, it would be fair to continue and explain such claims as detection with PI on 7.5 meters depth.

[ivconic]

Max you are right. Sorry Carl, for spoiling a bit this subject with other non-relevant rethorics
Was not my (also Michael's and Alex's) intentions.
This is why this forum is so great; man can come here and enjoy talking with other people, even argue, learn something new and give something own. At the end of a day only benefits get from here. At least i have that attitude, dont know about others, but assume they agree.

"..unless it's something big like an old tank buried there! .."

Actually that was my main point here, to push Michael and Alex to accept reallity - fact that there is not such HUGE metal masses in the ground...at least not oftenly. Fact..very rare, 1:1 000 000 000 possibillity.

Again, Carl wish you real joy working at White's, that is most important.

[Max]

Hi guys,
c'mon ...this thread is related to Carl's new job... not PIs.

The fact so many different claims and reports are about PIs, expecially depth kind, is related to the unreliable and unique soils conditions...

In some soils even the best depth PI will fail at 3meters, no matter of target... unless it's something big like an old tank buried there!

At those depths of many meters the soil factor become more and more important and could cancel out easy a good signal you , otherwise, will see in fair soil conditions.

It's like with VLFs and hi mineralized soil.... in that soils very few machines could operate well and still find targets ...but detection is limited by the masking effect of soil above and around target.

It's like penetrating a dense fog... the more the power of lights there and the more you will see just all becoming white!
In these worse conditions even the most powerful MD will be blind cause of the sorrounding strong signal due to soil influence.

Kind regards,
Max

[michael]

"..one time I saw the PSII detecting an old iron barrel (very large thing....
about 1m height x 60cm diameter) at 5meters underground.... , this was
with the 2m coil...but was long time ago so I don't trust memory much...
maybe was 4.5meters..."

Now!? I am gonna take this as truth only because came from you Max. If it was from somebody else i would be sure it is lie. But knowing you already as very descent and fair person i will accept this and period.

Hi,
1- I see you approve or deny something just based on your desire to somebody not your strong test experiences If you've been sure of something nothing can change your opinion . now one statement do it?

Michael, you are right. We not gonna argue, of course.
But i just remembered ROberts efforts to persuade you NOT to waste huge money on Mineoro. You argued with him up to "enemy" level.
RObert was banned from forum cose of that. And...at the end you,smart man, wasted huge money and bought expensive crap. Next month or two....no Michael!? Where is Michael!? You disapeared from forum for longer period. Were you ashamed much cose turned to be very naive? So...you are good and honest but sometimes very "fast" on mind! Think twice before make any move.

"
2- at that time I never had decision to argue with you or your friend Robert, our subject was on LRLing totally not mineoro especially. I was telling some LRLs work and know this and have seen and still I'm standing on my words. nothing changed.
about mineoro it differs as was new for me without any background after getting it were hardly busy for testing and get a certain answer.
for FG80 this was the main reason of my silence(or disappearing).
it seems some times you give hardly wrong opinions despite your electronic info. be more deep, man.
for what should be ashamed? or shy? I don't see any reason, still nothing changed. mineoro investor was another man, we jus imported it and hadto work intensly for some months to give back FG 80 to investor.

I never run an opinion about one device by the time pass all kind of tests in our own situation( including different places at different areas= very vast realm) which is hard and time consuming. OK ? got it?
and still by this time cannot tell any 100% idea against mineoro unless get a target in a place where before that mineoro fails to detect it. got it? this is my policy and tactic. despite what some mostly do, when one time fail with a device, overrule it.
then still all things are as the same.
and by the moment I realize, will surely tell here if mineoro is a crap or not; with all documants.

3- Robert was banned cos of no controlling his tongue or mind either in public view with his bitter tone or in PM to me which insulted me, my family, mother,...... and even threatened me to death..... and got merit answers.
then don't screw words, he argued with me up to enemy not me .....enough?
I never had before mentioned these here, you pointed it and pushed me write despite my heart-desires.

of course you are respectful to me due to your electronic knowledge and at least I built good "Zahori" based on your leadings.
and every time we use zahori remember you Ivconic.

[Great_Alex]

Dear Iviconic

I don't want to prove my experience to you. you don't know how use of PI detector , it's your problem . searching for deep treasure need more experience than some electronics information. i know your electronic knowledge is good but it's not a reason that you're a good treasure hunter.

[olympios]

Hi, Olympios, You are absolutely right. what are my heart words.
you are from Greece, yes? it seems be a good field experienced just what I like.
Do you have any friend in USA? I asked this to join people who may are searching for a kind of PI which I own it as is a feat. see here:

http://thunting.com/geotech/forums/showthread.php?t=14321

maybe you find a guy who has an address of this. one more person some increasing of success percent.

Michael, hi.
I reside in the USA but I visit Greece twice a year. I have already read your thread about the MDL 8500, and I searched in the internet for that unit but nothing found. Definitely it does not look like a military item. Nor would someone take the components from a military detector, fabricate a box/case to place them in, just to sell it to you. It is, apparently, a unit that someone made a few years ago but for some reason did not mass produce. For the same reason, it does not show in the net anywhere.
Anyway, we are hijacking this thread, lol.

[Carl-NC]

Congrats.
While you are there, can you ask why their audio has too much dynamic range and we have to put limiters in out headphones just to accomodate Whites machines?!!

Remind me to talk to you about that later. Ping me in Sept.

[Goodrat]

Congrats.
While you are there, can you ask why their audio has too much dynamic range and we have to put limiters in out headphones just to accomodate Whites machines?!!

[ivconic]

Alex, i am already fully awared of all the theory you 've been talking about.
No need to write such long posts, only for reason to void direct answer on my direct question!

"..but when i said i detect an object in 7.5 depth ,the soil conidtion are very good for PI , it was a buried treasure room of about 1800 years old with 2.5*3 meters and about 1.9m height then we complete our investegations with GSSI SIR with 100Mhz antenna and then ...( it was a government project that i was a memeber of discovery team ) i dont want to discuss about that more cause i know 99% members of this forum never go for such treasure finding they work for some hobbies and having some good time with each other ...."

Nobody here will not push you to disclose some "goverment secrets".
Question was very simple:

When you detected something at 7.5 meters...you dug to see what was there? Right?
So you are claiming - you detected something with PI detector at 7.5 meters? Right?
And you dug and found out.....whatever you found out (never mind), right?

With PI..????? Alex ...NOT POSSIBLE. Your story is not possiblle, not true.
For some reason you are not saying the truth.

It is (probably) possibble to locate some object at that depth, but not with PI, no way!
Is it possible that you mixed / confused that device with some other type of locator? Could it be some ground radar?

With PI...not possible, even if it was large room with treasure down there.

[Great_Alex]

Pitty, but i havent seen any of few different types of PI detectors been able to detect anything under 150-200cm in the ground, so far...

the maximum operative depth depends on many factor , soil condition and minerals in soil , moisture , salt ... affect the depth . when the soil conditions was bad tuning the detector means reducing the sensivity and the oprative depth and more size of coil never help for penetrate more cause every time you make a larger coil your detector needs to more reduce the sensivity in automatic devices like Ps2 OR LORENZ you could not see this obviously but maybe you find this when you use of PI with manual tuning in diffrent places with diffrent soil conditions , so your right it's possiblefor lorenz or PS2 never exceed more than 2 meters depth in your working area and when a place has such soil condition the best choice (for MD) is a vlf motion detector like Minelab explorer or white's that you ignore more ferromagnetic items cause soil mostly have ferromagnetic behaviour in such conditions.

but when i said i detect an object in 7.5 depth ,the soil conidtion are very good for PI , it was a buried treasure room of about 1800 years old with 2.5*3 meters and about 1.9m height then we complete our investegations with GSSI SIR with 100Mhz antenna and then ...( it was a government project that i was a memeber of discovery team ) i dont want to discuss about that more cause i know 99% members of this forum never go for such treasure finding they work for some hobbies and having some good time with each other .

and about gems you know it has good sensevity for buried ferromagnetic items and in mineralized soil a data logger with advanced interpolation software that ignore or autocorrect mineral effect doing like a miracle.but i know if you try your test field with a datalogging PI your results improving in quaility.

Alex

[amtech2005]

Important Announcement -- Please Read

Carl , Since everyone is done Congratulating You !!!!!!...And are now making "Christmas Wish Lists" . Here are my "TWO WISHES" :

1. Think about making a "download link" for members only , that has 100% complete files of everything from our "Geotech Forum". From 1999 to present !!!!!

2. When you get to work , Please find out what happened to this "Whites P.I. Prototype" that Dissappeared !!!! See photos..........Thank-You.........Eugene

[Aziz]

It's christmas time! My wishlist to Whites and Carl:

I want a new true digital VLF MD from Whites for reasonable price.
It should integrate:
- Lock-in Amplifier and
- Boxcar Averager

This promises much more accuracy (DISC), stability and sensitivity.
Otherwise, I have to develop my own Laptop MD further. Should I?

Aziz

for italians hunter, we want WHITE'S VOLCANO ok Carl?