blisstool ltc64x v2i

[ivconic]

... Meanwhile, I have a Blisstool (yes IV, just to check the story!) and found it to have some pluses and minuses, like about every detector. Hey, if you don't like Blisstool, then don't buy one!

We can expect nothing more nor less from you Carl. It is quite expectable you to take fair and objective course here. I respect that.
However; i am more relaxed in my comments here because i don't carry weight of being owner or administrator of such huge and important forum as this is.
It is not that i don't like Bliss, because indeed i like Wave (Magnum) and just because i like it: i made several copies already, last few years.
My brother in law is using one of my Wave's for longer period. Same man who already owned and used machines like GTI2500, CZ5, Explorer, GMP and Lorenz.
So this certainly is proving something. Those (Wave's) are quite decent as diy.
What i don't like here; i already explained few times at these pages.
I don't like unfairness and false comparative tests in which one is trying to amplify some nonexistent qualities of one model using another model as reference and trying to persuade us that one is better than another.
Such things simply don't work at sane people.
I don't see major manufacturers to act the same?
How come that no one from major manufacturers never published similar comparative tests?
How come that no one from major manufacturers never talking about "depths" in air and in soil?
Simply because there are very smart and fair people there at major manufacturers and they do know that everything is so relative.
Carl i am sure you will agree on this.
Cheers!

[ivconic]

I have no one (nor LTC nor EDS), but I am interesting in some real comparative test's in field of prospecting.

To yet only Ivconic's "Deus promotion" aware me that there must be "something" behind his "Deus story".
Cause of his great experience in real detecting world.
So I done some real step toward Deus (already have a coil). I hope in a week my "Lite Deus" will be complete.
And then, dear ivconic, be careful!!!

If you list back some older pages here; you can also find my "promotions" of Musketeer, Explorer, Spectrum, XP GMP, GP3000 ... etc...etc...
I will always promote good stuff and quality.
But also i will always point on bad things too.
For example; just to prove this: i was the one who pointed first on XP GMP issues in the past.
I joined XP forum and pointed there on GMP liability to masking by hard minerals.
I did video showing how GMP is "lying" about gold coin masked with mineral.
At the time i had impression that XP guys don't like me at all and considering me as provocative.
Now i am "promoting" Deus!?
No, i am promoting quality and good performances only.
Also i hate to see Deus as "usual target" in all those so called "fair comparative tests".
Why Deus? Maybe just because Deus is way beyond? Ha!
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So you are future Deus owner! Wow! I am happy to hear that!
Now i now that my postings so far were not for nothing!
Welcome to our club!
I promise you will not regret. Also i promise i will help you on everything you need to master Deus.
Cheers!

[Carl-NC]

I don't see major manufacturers to act the same?
How come that no one from major manufacturers never published similar comparative tests?
How come that no one from major manufacturers never talking about "depths" in air and in soil?
Simply because there are very smart and fair people there at major manufacturers and they do know that everything is so relative.
Carl i am sure you will agree on this.

Not sure I agree with this at all... I've been in metal detecting for almost 40 years and during that time manufacturer ads have touted all sorts of nonsense. I have a huge collection of treasure magazines dating back to 1960 and it's entertaining to look back at all the claims. Mostly in the form of thinly-veiled product comparisons: SuperBrand gets 12" while brand "W" gets 10" and brand "G" gets 9"!

I will agree that more recently manufacturers have toned down the nonsense, but there is still some of it. Sure, owners of detectors can be horribly biased toward their favorite detector, to the point where they put out unobjective comparisons. Some of it may even be unintentional (rose-colored glasses). Those who disagree ought to make their own (perhaps more objective) tests and post the results (I can't do that, because I'm not objective!).

- Carl

[ivconic]

Not sure I agree with this at all... I've been in metal detecting for almost 40 years and during that time manufacturer ads have touted all sorts of nonsense. I have a huge collection of treasure magazines dating back to 1960 and it's entertaining to look back at all the claims. Mostly in the form of thinly-veiled product comparisons: SuperBrand gets 12" while brand "W" gets 10" and brand "G" gets 9"!

I will agree that more recently manufacturers have toned down the nonsense, but there is still some of it. Sure, owners of detectors can be horribly biased toward their favorite detector, to the point where they put out unobjective comparisons. Some of it may even be unintentional (rose-colored glasses). Those who disagree ought to make their own (perhaps more objective) tests and post the results (I can't do that, because I'm not objective!).

- Carl

Ok i know what are you talking about. I am not so naive to take that everything is so fair in md world, especially at major manufacturers.
It is struggle for market and therefore everything is allowed.
But what i wanted to say in previous post is that i don't see so low profile marketing approach where one will try to benefit on others accounts by making comparative tests which are proving nothing, as this is so frequently seen in diy and amateur world.
Major manufacturers "matured" in meantime. It's been a long time since times you are referring on.
In last 20 years i don't recall that anybody of them tried anything similar.
Alright; even nowdays we can see words like: "best ever", "most advanced" etc..etc...
But there is no obvious comparison in their promotions where somebody's else product is taken as "victim".
Why? Because they are fair? No, but because they got smart in meantime and learned that everything is so relative.

[ODM]

I can see a context-detached quote coming from this!

[ivconic]

I can see a context-detached quote coming from this!

Yes we are close but haven't crossed the border yet.
Whole thread is from a start oriented more in promoting directions anyway.

[Funfinder]

It's not just to be objective, indipendent, fair, without pink-red googles or "convinced" like
it's with religious believe but also the circumstances and features of a certain product.

Simple test: small coin and big metal box in air

medium test: if this stuff is buried

complex test: high mineralisation, electrosmog sources nearby, comfort after 8h of usage


But this can became fully unimportant if someone needs special features!

As example the XP Deus:
- won't detect meteorites
- is absolutly not resistent against electro-smog
- is only for people who have at least some "computer-understanding"
- contains a coil accu that has to be replaced every 3-4 years
- is very expensive, especially if someone needs also the larger coil

As Carl said, pros and cons.

Key features are:
- find size related (detector with small or large coil)
- find depth related (either total depth or dependent on the finds size from goldnugget to huge metal objects)
- what is detectable at all (from cavity over meteorites, magnetic stuff, wires that contain electricity, to iron and finally silver)
- reliability, product quality, safe against all kind of negativ disturbances, waterproof or not, batteries or accus, weight and price


For special tasks certain detectors will do a better job than others, no doubt about it.
If a person gets driven crazy by the Blisstools background chatter there are just 2 options:
a different detector or hunting with reduced sensitivity.

So it always depends alot on what has prioritity, what is it the treasure-hunter wanna find
and how good fits a detector the personal skill, taste and other more subjective factors.

Personally I have nothing against the XP Deus, I even would find the whole computerised
thing very interesting. But so far I stumbled over alot other detectors I bought first and
these serve my needs very well and do a good job - I have 8 or 9 detectors already -
and therefore I'm not highly motivated to spend another 2500 bucks for the Deus
with large coil and for a detector that loses alot sensitivity by electro-smog,
that's blind for meteorites and with a coil that needs recharge any day.

But I have the same opinion as ivconic if it comes to unfair comparision tests
or nicer looking halfway faked video-clips. And btw. it's called "the full truth"
because everything also has it's negative aspects, missing features and all
the "sh*t" they won't tell you because they wanna make the money and
therefore wanna let there product just looking bright, great 'n perfect!

[ivconic]

" As example the XP Deus:
- won't detect meteorites
- is absolutly not resistent against electro-smog
- is only for people who have at least some "computer-understanding"
- contains a coil accu that has to be replaced every 3-4 years
- is very expensive, especially if someone needs also the larger coil"

Don't know about meteorites, never tried. Besides; those are so rare that it is completely irrelevant. If someone want to hunt for them; than best solution would be pi detector.

What electro-smog? In last several months i haven't experienced neither 2 minutes of instability with Deus outdoor. Don't know what are you talking about? Oh yes; Deus is liable to chatter in closed room, especially close to ADSL router!
"Computer-understanding" !? C'mon! Maybe a bit of "cell-phone" understanding... but certainly nothing above that. Back in '90 White's Spectrum was much more complicated to adjust than Deus today, trust me.
Coil accu is not a drawback but advantage, huge advantage. So far i hadn't experienced flat battery on the field with it.
Ok, on last i can agree; i would also like if i spent less money on it. But you can't have top product for small fee, that's how things are functioning in this sad world.
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Ok, never mind the Deus ... nor Bliss. We can't argue about personal choices and taste.
What we should talk about is validity of so much forced "comparative tests" that are flooding the internet.
I would like to point on one interesting thing that can't be noticed on first glance, watching those tests.
It is the most favorite "excuse" of many testers: factory preset programs at machines like Deus and similar!
At analogue and simple machine you don't have "factory preset programs" and all the adjustments you will perform relying on your own knowledge and experience.
At "digital" and complicated machines you usually have factory presets. "Programs".
So if you want to show that some analogue and simple machine is better than digital one; all you have to do is to adjust it best you can, and on other side; let digital machine to run in some factory preset program.
And voila! You will have situation where simple analogue machine will easy outperform digital one.
Why? Because in most of the cases most of those presets are done optimized, not to push digital machine at very edge of it's performances.
So if you want edge performances at digital machine: you will have to do the extra tuning and adjustments.
I don't recall NEITHER one digital machine to have at least one factory preset which is using 100% resources of machine. Neither one!
So usually user must involve extended effort and readjust machine to push it way further in performances.
Ok let's forget Deus for a while, let focus on White's Spectrum. It is completely average when run in factory preset program.
But once you trim some options here and there: wow, it turns in to real beast, very much competitive with most modern machines today.
Do you understand what i want to say?
Most favorite "excuse" at those promoters is exactly this. If you want to show how easy Bliss can beat Deus: all you have to do is to adjust Bliss best you can and on other side leave Deus in some factory preset program. And Bliss will beat Deus just like that.
Those promoters are tricky and spry. They do know how to make promotional videos, no doubts in that.

[WM6]

Don't know about meteorites, never tried. Besides; those are so rare that it is completely irrelevant. If someone want to hunt for them; than best solution would be pi detector.

I got small 11.40 gram meteorite from friend, so my Deus (coming) will be tested on meteorites too.

[Davor]

If it recognises iron, it will find it.

[WM6]

If it recognises iron, it will find it.

Yes, most of those are iron-nickel compound and can be detected by all sort of detectors.

[Davor]

Funny thing is that my kid found something meteorite-like on the beach (!) that is lightweight, and certainly not iron. It looks a lot like titanium and it is not corroded a bit, and I have no idea how to start analysing it. It gives a clear non-Fe indication on IGSL too

[WM6]

Funny thing is that my kid found something meteorite-like on the beach (!) that is lightweight, and certainly not iron. It looks a lot like titanium and it is not corroded a bit, and I have no idea how to start analysing it. It gives a clear non-Fe indication on IGSL too

If you wish to analyse it on meteorite, then this site can be good start:

http://www.meteoritemarket.com/metid1.htm

But preliminary comment: meteorites are usually heavy for its shape and 90% of meteorites has iron compound (attract magnet).

Can you post some clear photo?

Also advisable to see for meteorite hunting:

[ivconic]

I got small 11.40 gram meteorite from friend, so my Deus (coming) will be tested on meteorites too.

That reminds me on something! Also brings me splendid idea too!
I don't want to go off topic here so i will elaborate this on other thread:

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...er-coil!/page5

[Davor]

But preliminary comment: meteorites are usually heavy for its shape and 90% of meteorites has iron compound (attract magnet).

I know and it is even more interesting. The remainder of the meteorites are rocks, but other metals are usually mentioned only as trace components.
It is his treasure. I'll ask him.