blisstool ltc64x v2i

[Carl-NC]

There is no "definite answer." The Blisstool has good points and bad points, just like every other metal detector. I don't know why people get so wound up over these things. If you like the Blisstool, then go use it! If you don't like it, use something else!

- Carl

P.S. -- Since folks are getting overly "passionate" in their opinions, this thread is close to being locked.

[Luckyp]

Hello,
I am a rocky in this forum and want to learn about new technlogies.This tug of war is very confusing.I taugh that Carl the administrator of this forum has one of this machines.
May be a good idea to give us a definite answer once and for all.

[Funfinder]

@ UFO

Don't waste my time with your general assumptions!

You also will be ignored from now on.
Pester someone else with your bla bla bla!

What do you think where do we would end if everyone has his
ownl favorite MD and now starts to compare it with the Blisstool?

And for shure I won't show you any treasures, you must be crazy
to ask such questions! Who are you that I would be in need to
give you any proofs?

I don't discuss with peoples with fixed opinions like:
"450EU - 700EU is an insane amount of money to spend on such a speculative product."

Because this is already the proof how much prejudices you have.

> I don't care if you say you have one for 2 years, means nothing to me.

Great, and I don't care what you think at all.
Get your information from sources you like - you are
not the only person with totally selective view of things.


> From what I have read, the Blisstool should sell for $250, maybe $350, TOPS. Anything above that is too much in my humble opinion.

Unbelievable - I'm just waiting that another 1000 forum members
now are starting to lament about the far too high price of any MDs.

Here we see the power of some Tesoro's - without Lobo, perhaps with good reason :

http://www.metalldetektortest.de/Belgientest/Tesoro/tesoro.html

versus:

http://www.metalldetektortest.de/Belgientest/Blisstool/blisstool.html

What kind of sh*t is going on here?

"Oh look, here is a thread about the Blisstool and some people
dares to defeat this stupid, disgusting and cheap MD - now let's
spam and stalk those persons with our hate and selfish opinions!"

Such a bunch of misearable ignorants that throws everything
far from them that contains the slightest true information!

"Provocating and annoying other persons is so more much fun
than collecting true and good information!", is their attitude.

I won't repeat and repeat infos like a teacher to retarded kids!

[Ism]

What I wrote...
No matter how much energy the Tx induces into the target.

How it should have been written...
No matter how much energy the Tx induces into the target beyond saturation of the target.

Ie, if a bell is rung at its maximum output in a distant town and can't heard 5 miles away due to background noise levels, no matter how hard you beat that bell it will not get any louder. Therfore the only way to hear the bell from 5 miles away is to filter out the background noise, isolate and amplify the bell or get closer to it.

Ivconic understood what I was implying.

[UFO]

This is a well tested and not speculative product! Guys like you and a bunch of fanatic opinion-stalkers here are the only speculative thing!

It is speculative when people have never seen one and can only rely on sketchy conversations to make an informed decision.

I have never seen one, I can't buy one - that's speculative.
I don't care if you say you have one for 2 years, means nothing to me.

[UFO]

>


Anyway, used the right way the Blisstool is a very sensitive instrument for serious tresure-hunters!

Let's see some of your serious treasure, all you do is talk talk talk.

[UFO]

What it the smallest practical sized target do you think the Blisstool will find with the 15" coil?

Is the Blisstool really needed to find a cache buried at 24"?

Example: I can faintly pick up a 4" x 4 1/2" tobacco at 30" with my Lobo, and all I have to do is turn it on, no tuning. (Technically moving the coil up and down a few times causes the computer to ground balance itself.)
This is with the stock 10" coil, not 15".
The Tesoro is less money, probably better built and has a lifetime warranty.

I might also add that a simple PI like the Baracuda gets great depths in mineralized ground, without discrimination mind you it's 1/14th the price.

I just don't see why it's necessary to beat the drum for some not so spectacular, overpriced detector? I am sure there are many, many better detectors out there for the money.

From what I have read, the Blisstool should sell for $250, maybe $350, TOPS. Anything above that is too much in my humble opinion.

Now I am sure you will disparage me for what you perceive as a "challenge", but it's not really, it's just questions, like what adults might use in a conversation.

[Funfinder]

Thx for your clear words, Fisherman Andy, some persons here
seems to don't have the slightest clue about this stuff.
Bloody amateurs with a big mouth or very big fingers.


I hate to spread knowledge to rude and abusive figures that are
trolling here, but I also don't let myself freeze out from those!


Real and maximum depth detection is comparable with the
whiteout. It's snowy, windy, foggy and you may lose your way.
What happens? Everything starts to get blurred and "white".

Same with deep metal-detection in mineralic soil.
That's why strong TX power is needed!

The magic word is called: contrast (contrast factor)!

With low TX power and super sensitive detection circuits you
get massive noise-sensitivity, from the ground or nearby e-smog.

Of course 2 big coils with enough windings and distance
between them also raise the contrast factor. Or 1 large PI frame
with high voltage pulses.

The less TX power, the better signal-noise ratio RX is needed
and the more stable electronical components or compensation-
circuits. Incl. EMI-filter stages and other stuff.

It is absolute ridiculous to think that a big coil is a substitute
for a treasure-hunters short d*ck.
Perhaps for a masochistic treasure-hunter that loves to suffer.

Heavy coils and detectors with heavy accu-packs are needed
for the deciding plus of more contrast! And the more mineralic
the soil is, the more contrast absolutly is needed!

The best contrast-factor in that case still has a non-motion
detector with very high inductivity coils like the Jeohunter.
That's why such MDs can penetrate even a half meter of
brick-stones while the Blisstool detects the brick but not
what is below!

The XP Deus and the Blisstool may have ca. the same TX power.

Carls Blisstool test has already shown that it has problems
with the Ground Balance at very high mineralic soil or seen
this from another point of view:

It doesn't penetrate very good high mineralized ground!

But because of the very high signal noise ratio the Blisstool
creator has made fully usable for the experienced hunter
you will detect very deep targets in middle-mineralized
soil if no source of electrosmog (EMI) is close or near.

I hope Carl will bury something very deep to test the
Blisstool or he can try to locate the coin-cache at 2ft
if the soil is not mineralized too heavy.

For shure the Blisstools 15'' coil would raise the contrast-factor
compared to the small one but if the soil is "medium" and the
EMI is moderate he may be able to get it with the small coil.


The big pro of the XP Deus is the very lightweigt holder incl.
coil for persons who wanna hunter for 10h per day and the
wireless technology also can raise the contrast-factor in
comparision with a sometimes moving coil-cable.

The coils dimension, the short coil-accu durance and the
price of course is not a big pro or only for special persons.


The Blisstool LTC64X v4 absolutly should be built as
hang around the neck unit - otherwise a longer usage of
the 15'' coil is almost useless (too much weight!).

And the 15'' coil is a must because of the weak performance
at high mineralized soil by using the standard 11'' (28cm) coil.

[der_fisherman]

Unfair and uncalled for answer.....

This is like arguing with a woman. Always an emotionally irrational response to logic.

No matter how much energy the Tx induces into the target, the response from the target is limited by soil, distance, size, shape, and conductivity. After that its up to the Rx circuitry to hear the target response. The ability to saturate the earth with maximum energy required for a target response is no technological marvel. The ability to hear the disipated signal response through background noise is the task that must be overcome. At first I thought you were intelligent and knew what you were talking about but the more you respond to simple arguments, the more you lose credibility. While the Blisstool may be a fine detector and worthy of its place in the market, why do you have to belittle the Deus which is clearly a technological leap forward in detector technology?

Then there's the remark- "Blisstool is simply too complicated for alot rookies compared with the 4 button Deeptech RG Vista 1000 etc."
And-"Anyway, used the right way the Blisstool is a very sensitive instrument for serious tresure-hunters!"

As if anybody who doesn't have one, doesn't stack up. This sounds like a man who buys the large truck or big gun to overcompensate for the lack of size in a different department. Just because it has 13 knobs doesn't make you a more sophisticated user.

Don't be a hater

I may not be a big fan of Funfinder, but in fact you are wrong and he is right in this matter, if you don't have a reasonable to good Tx, your Rx will not pick up the signals no matter how excellent it is, and may also give false information to the user too....

I agree that it is fairly easy nowadays to make a good solid Tx signal, but that is not what he said, you should read more carefully and not be so agressive for no apparent reason. Nobody here likes rudeness.....

In such cases it is better to simply ignore posts that you don't agree with if you cannot answer them in a mannerly way..

I am also sure that our moderator will not like your agressive and unfriendly attitude either, but that is for him to say, not me......

Have a great weekend anyway,

Andy

[ivconic]

...
No matter how much energy the Tx induces into the target, the response from the target is limited by soil, distance, size, shape, and conductivity. After that its up to the Rx circuitry to hear the target response. The ability to saturate the earth with maximum energy required for a target response is no technological marvel. The ability to hear the disipated signal response through background noise is the task that must be overcome....

That is the point! Very sane and very correct.
Such "boosted" detectors usually do impress when testing in air or previously prepared place on soil, but under real soil conditions those usually sucks.
No wonder why Magnum is most copied and "improved" homebrew in this part of the world;
it's oscillator is very flexible and easy "boostable" to allow amplitudes even over 25vpp.
Such homebrews will impress with extreme, lunatic, air "depths" and also will impress with very occasional soil depth, but
generally will fail on most of real site soils.

[Funfinder]

Unbelievable!
An everything misunderstanding and nothing knowing person here
thinks he can string together cheeky units one after another.

Ism, you are like a woman, writing such pointless insolences.

But I even won't discuss with you. Absolute ridiculous!
Another just timewasting ignore candidate.

[Ism]

Wrong - if you beat a 5m bell with a little nail you will hear nothing compared to the "WAMMMM!" of a sledgehammer!

Next time we drive a 1m frame PI with a tiny lithium watch cell!

And for shure you just need the power of a car battery for a huge scrapyard electromagnet.


I know.... sound, display, rx, detection analyses circuits - all this stuff needs power, too.

And also I know that we are not needing a longwave broadcast station transmitter every little receiver still can hear 1000 miles away.



But without enough transmission power you will detect nothing - except some earth-magnetical fields, or AM by diode.

btw. This stuff is totally offtopic concerning the Blisstool, because that MD has the needed TX power.

This is all just XP Deus issues because this far too small coil-lipo has to be recharged after almost every single hunting day. Compared to this - the ca. 2000mA Blisstool accu lasts for 7 days or longer and is for the whole detector.

Timewasting discussions here. Period.

This is like arguing with a woman. Always an emotionally irrational response to logic.

No matter how much energy the Tx induces into the target, the response from the target is limited by soil, distance, size, shape, and conductivity. After that its up to the Rx circuitry to hear the target response. The ability to saturate the earth with maximum energy required for a target response is no technological marvel. The ability to hear the disipated signal response through background noise is the task that must be overcome. At first I thought you were intelligent and knew what you were talking about but the more you respond to simple arguments, the more you lose credibility. While the Blisstool may be a fine detector and worthy of its place in the market, why do you have to belittle the Deus which is clearly a technological leap forward in detector technology?

Then there's the remark- "Blisstool is simply too complicated for alot rookies compared with the 4 button Deeptech RG Vista 1000 etc."
And-"Anyway, used the right way the Blisstool is a very sensitive instrument for serious tresure-hunters!"

As if anybody who doesn't have one, doesn't stack up. This sounds like a man who buys the large truck or big gun to overcompensate for the lack of size in a different department. Just because it has 13 knobs doesn't make you a more sophisticated user.

Don't be a hater

[Funfinder]

Just curious, looking at the Blisstool forum site as well as others. Appears over 200 have been ordered and only a few delivered to the US or in the UK. Many have been waiting since Easter time or longer.
Seems like some or many are getting tired of waiting or having second thoughts. Wonder who has everyones pre-order money?
Was hoping to see many more new owners reports and finds with interest....... What's really going on at Blisstool? Not interest in buying one, just wondering..........

> Appears over 200 have been ordered and only a few delivered to the US or in the UK.

Perhaps too many for a small company where the chief is "disabled" for some weeks.

Ordering online while giving away, transfering the money before you get the product, always is risky!

But I think so far Blisstool always was and still is a reliable firm, Carl also got his detector without problems and in good working condition! Same applies to eventually warranty issues.


@ UFO
> 450EU - 700EU is an insane amount of money to spend on such a speculative product.

This is a well tested and not speculative product! Guys like you and a bunch of fanatic opinion-stalkers here are the only speculative thing!

I have the old LTC64 model since almost 2 years and found great stuff with it! And for alot members here the Blisstool is everything else than speculative, too!

But as long as not everything works as before at Blisstool BG, online ordering could be risky or it may takes some or alot time until new units have been built etc.

The main problem is the EMI sensitivity and the "blocking off" at very high mineralized ground. I really have to make those "detect through brickstones"-tests finally! Anyway, used the right way the Blisstool is a very sensitive instrument for serious tresure-hunters!

[UFO]

Those are some impressive numbers for a few of those machines.

I wonder why they don't have the Gold Bug or a Lobo as they are also similar machines, it would be interesting.

[WM6]

Oh and another thing, the Deus is not finding gold chains on saltwater beaches either, so we can end that right now.

The only "evidence" of a Deus finding gold chains, is posted by the same guy praising them in this very thread.

Probably not the only.

If you open link given in my previous post, you can find test table made by Deus competitor (not from XP and not from Deus owner or XP dealer or supporter).

There are clearly stated that Deus outperform most other brand detectors regarding tiny gold sensitivity. And so even with smaller coil and without stated which Deus program is used to whole or part of test (which mean that it can, maybe, outperform even better with more suitable program used for this "tiny gold" task).

Test on tiny 0.7 gram nugget is very credible tiny gold test in comparison with gold chain test, which can be, as you say, manipulated on different way.

Here excerpt from those test: