QED

[Aziz]

PJ, PJ,

don't tell bull-****e. I can see the bashing procedure with my own "WBGB-experiment"!
Then you f"$%"its have started bashing Woody and Moodz. Don't you?

You have to learn to differentiate between bashing & critics & opinion.

ML deserves a lot of critics. All based on facts.
Go to the corner and start shaming.

Aziz

[PATCHES JUNIOR]

If your still wondering about Doug, go to any gold forum in the world where he has posted and see the way he has acted for years. You need some links? Name me one, just one gold prospecting forum where he is a welcomed member. That is not including his own forum. That should give you a hint. Do you think every forum has a agenda against Doug? Or could it be Doug himself. Wake up Aziz!

[PATCHES JUNIOR]

Well,

I don't agree with Carl & PJ. It would have been obsessional happened to everyone trying to get into the market. Even when a product would have been developed in the background. As soon as you sell it and would get some market dominance, the evils appear to ride on the success of others. That is a well-known tactic of patent trolls.

That's the reason, why ML is obsessively trying to own every possible metal detecting related science. The latest hit: trying to own natural laws, prior art, re-invented prior art....
(Calm down: I can read and understand patents. )

And we shouldn't forget, that the real bashing has been started by the evil few ********s, which have a hidden agenda.


So don't lie guys! The truth hurts.
Aziz

I beg your pardon Aziz. Then why has not Tinkerer, Hammerhead, and the many others projects have not been bashed? No one would of said a word bashing the QED if not for Doug, Huego and you bashing Minelab and saying how great the QED was. 3 years ago you all were bragging on how it was a better gold detector than the latest Minelab. So don't go trying to act all innocent now!!! You were with the trio for a few years. That is a fact, so stop playing your games. We know Doug has you in his spew. The sad part is you do not realize it. I warned you, but I was too late. Sorry

[Aziz]

I agree Carl. If BW just stayed away from duggy, huego & Aziz with all their Minelab bashing I think BW would of been better off. They have only brought trouble to BW.
Maybe Aziz & crew can start a fund raiser for BW since they helped him get into this mess. What ya think Aziz?

Well,

I don't agree with Carl & PJ. It would have been obsessional happened to everyone trying to get into the market. Even when a product would have been developed in the background. As soon as you sell it and would get some market dominance, the evils appear to ride on the success of others. That is a well-known tactic of patent trolls.

That's the reason, why ML is obsessively trying to own every possible metal detecting related science. The latest hit: trying to own natural laws, prior art, re-invented prior art....
(Calm down: I can read and understand patents. )

And we shouldn't forget, that the real bashing has been started by the evil few ********s, which have a hidden agenda.


So don't lie guys! The truth hurts.
Aziz

[PATCHES JUNIOR]

I agree Carl. If BW just stayed away from duggy, huego & Aziz with all their Minelab bashing I think BW would of been better off. They have only brought trouble to BW.
Maybe Aziz & crew can start a fund raiser for BW since they helped him get into this mess. What ya think Aziz?

[Carl-NC]

Aziz, probably not the QED, but poisonous concomitant anti-ML propaganda, that has gone out of all proportion of healthy taste.

If BW project was developed in silence and without constant crazy attacks on "flounders", ML will left it quite alone, no matter of it success.

BW was warned many times by me and others to not exceed the limits, but he unfortunately succumbed to incitement of dugs and hugs.

I agree, the core of the problem is the incessant bashing. Kick the dog enough times and the dog will bite you.

This appears to be a discovery order, so I assume that a lawsuit has already been filed (the link to comcourts.gov.au didn't work for me). In any case it looks like it's gone serious and BW is going to need some serious legal help to navigate all this. Hope he can afford it. Maybe Doug can put up the cash since he's the leader of the gang.

[Aziz]

PJ, but you don't really know, how much I really know the metal detecting stuff.
Do you really think, that I'm kidding you all with my claim to have the WBGB?
Keep on sleeping.
Aziz

[PATCHES JUNIOR]

BTW guys,

a slight modification of the QED's front-end and some additional circuits can be adapted and arranged to work with the Tablet PC/Netbook/Laptop platform too.


The "World's best ground balance technology" (WBGB) can then be implemented on the mentioned processing front-end (>2 GFLOPS horse power).
All the went up to the orbit overpriced detectors can be stuffed into the garbage bin.
This solution is quite cheap & fast feasible.

Detector Controller: $100
Coil: $100
Netbook: $200
Sound card: $60
Software: $0000000000000000000000000000000000000 (f$kin free)
================================================== ===
Total: $460

Would you like it?


Aziz

I would not be saying you know too much about how the QED works!!!

[Aziz]

BTW guys,

a slight modification of the QED's front-end and some additional circuits can be adapted and arranged to work with the Tablet PC/Netbook/Laptop platform too.


The "World's best ground balance technology" (WBGB) can then be implemented on the mentioned processing front-end (>2 GFLOPS horse power).
All the went up to the orbit overpriced detectors can be stuffed into the garbage bin.
This solution is quite cheap & fast feasible.

Detector Controller: $100
Coil: $100
Netbook: $200
Sound card: $60
Software: $0000000000000000000000000000000000000 (f$kin free)
================================================== ===
Total: $460

Would you like it?


Aziz

[Aziz]

Aziz, I think I will let what happens, happen! My lips are sealed!



Plus, your "worlds best" crap has to exist to have anything to worry about. So your safe!

Fortunately, my "world's best technology" is totally free from crap Candy science & math.


A good advice to your guys:
No one in the f$kin universe can own the natural laws!!!!
(it's valid to me too...)


Aziz

[WM6]

Agree, it is not limited only to patent field. And yes, for me, QED manage the same thing (metal detecting) on different way (if we have in mind known existing solutions).

[chudster]

No the prior art does not need to be in patents and if the patent system has done its job, it will not be. While it could be in old expired patents, if it exists it is more likely to be in old magazines or books, posted in a forum post (if a forum was around at the time), or in some other public disclosure. It could have been disclosed in a patent or other public disclosure from a non detector field for example, medical imaging and this is another way prior art exists.

Of course another defence is that the QED is completely different beast and does not use any patented ML strategies but ML probably have some grounds to pursue this.

Chudster

[WM6]

In other words, that the patent (ie the invention that is the subject of the claims) was already known when the patent was filed (priority date) then let him know privately.

For us, QED supporters, it is clear that some (unhidden) prior art can be only in some old expired patents and not in valid ML patents. Enough documentation was collected about this matter. Lack of arguments cannot be problem, main problem will occur when we need to convert technical language into conclusive legal language. This will be main lawyers battlefield.

[PATCHES JUNIOR]

Aziz, I think I will let what happens, happen! My lips are sealed!



Plus, your "worlds best" crap has to exist to have anything to worry about. So your safe!

[chudster]

Its not nice to be taken to court in Australia, especially by a company with cash in their pockets. Lawyers don't come cheap and unlike in the US we don't really have no win no fee arrangements. Access to good legal support is really for the rich here. I am not sure of where or whether Bugwhiskers crossed the line but NORMALLY companies don't chase lone tinkerers unless their sales or reputation are threatened. That said a patent confers a temporary right to exclude others from making using, selling and offering for sale that can be enforced by the courts- and that can be against a 'hobbyist'. All the same I would strongly encourage everyone to vote for the fantastic innovation I see that the forums encourage and not change what we do- otherwise the world does not move forward. Having said that follow, watch and learn and figure out where the line might be if its not already obvious.

If they are restraining innovation then shame on ML and the detector world should know, if they are protecting their commerce then that is their right. It is notable that if they do pursue this and Bugwhiskers can find 'prior art' for the patent they cite against him, then ML risk having their patent ruled invalid. One reason that companies don't chase or drop actions is that risk. If anyone is sympathetic to Bugwhisker's plight then the best way to help is if/ when the patent is known, you can find 'prior art'. In other words, that the patent (ie the invention that is the subject of the claims) was already known when the patent was filed (priority date) then let him know privately. This is where the power of the forum and internet can help. If you aren't sympathetic, that is your right too!

Chudster