How Do I Magnetize Black Sand?????

[Melbeta]

HomeFire, I am interested in your posting....

Why would you be disposing of Useful chemicals.

All are 100% recoverable.

Sorry to hear your afraid of the man!

Sealed 5 gal buckets I use and have never dumped any of it.

Even the flushing water is cleaned and used.

Okay, I am ready to hear your suggestions, on how you can recover the chemicals, 100%. I assume you store the recovered chemicals in sealed 5 gal buckets? And since they are now 100% recovered, you do not need to dump or get rid of them through sanctioned chemical disposal companies. And you said you even cleaned the flushing water.

So lay it on me, I am eager to hear how you do it. Not interested in links to other websites, just tell me the good, the bad, the beautiful....All the details, step by step, I am eager to hear how you do it.
Melbeta

[homefire]

I'm going to explain a few methods.

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In a two quart Dutch oven, Heat until just about red hot/ on Coal fire. In your case mass volume, your going to have to addapt.


Dump in your Black Sands Concentrate. Note! Some Natural sources could contain Mercury or other Volatiles!

Allow to Roast and crack.

After about 1/2 hour remove and let cool. Room temp cool!

Place in 5lb tumbler with 1/4 lb of mercury. Add 1 cup of distilled water! two drops of Jet Dry, Dish washing hydrate.

Tumble for 24 hours.

Place on vibrator table for 15 minutes in Funnel stopped up until Mercury is settled down to bottom.


Recover Mercury amalgam from bottom.

Retort, into water recovering mercury, and leaving gold sponge.

Recover Gold.

Now Retort black sands to recover little mercury left on material.

You have just recovered 99.99 percent of the mercury used.

Send Black sands to El-Paso and get $5.00 for 40lb for it.

They Recover Iridium and other Rare Earths from it.

You have the Gold and other Nobles caught within.

Your cost , ? Some Dehydrated Water and .0001 Mercury loss!

Nothing is lost execp evaperated water and .0001 Mercury combined with the black sands as salts you send to the refinery.


Now do you want to know how to use Bleach as a Halide leach?

It's safer and cost less but is a little more complicated!


Yes , Chlorine Bleach will dissolve Gold combined with Hydrochloric acid.

Muriatic Pool Acid works just fine!

[Melbeta]

More interested in cleaner methods....

I was familiar with those methods too, and tried them in past too, tried others too, then went to better methods then those.

But they do not solve the problems, which I mentioned before, which were waste products like spent acids, contaminated waste water, mercury contamination, and so on.

I did not mean to imply that I discarded waste solutions, I never did. Never had any chance to do that, as right after I began to refine gold, silver, and platinum, the EPA visited me, to explain right from wrong. Now I know that persons who were never actually in business before doing what I did, are not impressed with what they call "the man", but I will tell you, when they do come, you will no longer make silly jokes over the EPA. There will be no more storage of spent solutions in 5 gallon plastic containers. If you do, they will quickly own what you used to own!! I have seen that myself with my own eyes. Friends who were chrome plating, friends who were cleaning and blueing firearms, friends who were painting cars in their shop garages out in the country, they had EPA experience.

Furthermore, storing those spent used solutions, in 5 gallon plastic buckets, the acid fumes destroy that rubber sealing ring, not wise, I have had that experience too.

You stated that you "recovered the chemicals 100%", so I figured you had a method that would get rid of waste solutions, recover the chemicals, but what you posted just creates more waste products. It does not appear to me, that you really know how to restore waste spent acid solutions to a new useable solution that a person can use again. I do know that chemists know how to do that, they do that at the electro refining plants. It sounded to me like you knew that, and did that, but I can see you do not know how to do that.

I need something that is cleaner, more efficient method, which is why I started this posting, trying to find out how others are using the electromagnets to electrically charge the black sands and remove them, or most of them, from the gold concentrates, thus leaving less to contend with, and less to end up in my way.

These old amateur methods that are found in many many websites, from mercury to bleaches to other things, just do not impress me anymore. I have had that experience before. I've been there, done that! That is for the persons who have never performed those methods before, not me.

And I know of better places to sell the results to, then to El Paso, and get more money from them.

I have tried and used just about every method known, from acids to furnaces, except centrifical separation and gas dissolving of compounds, so further information on common methods just does not interest me. I have been that soldier, I have served in that war, and I just do not like going back to that old war anymore. There are better ways, and being used by intelligent people, and I would prefer to learn those methods.

I am interested in magnetic separation of the black sands, and only magnetic separation. Not more of the old methods of handling black sands.

[homefire]

What Ever!

I have No Chemicals stored in 5 Gal buckets.

There is Like Stated, Nothing to Store!

You seem to be stuck on that notion.

Good Luck Magnetizing things that are Not Magnetic!

Turnip Juice is Red but makes lousy Blood!

The EPA is nothing to Fear if you have nothing to Fear!



Good God, Are you in Californicated?

[Melbeta]

What Ever!
I have No Chemicals stored in 5 Gal buckets.
There is Like Stated, Nothing to Store!
You seem to be stuck on that notion.
Good Luck Magnetizing things that are Not Magnetic!
Turnip Juice is Red but makes lousy Blood!
The EPA is nothing to Fear if you have nothing to Fear!
Good God, Are you in Californicated?

Well, I am stuck on it, because you indicated you have it stored....Or you should have it stored. When you stated you use Hydrocholoric or its impure cousin, to dissolve gold, you end up with spent chemicals, and you have to have it stored, or you have to have discarded it, such as poured it on the ground, as it is an acidic solution, and you did not cover anything about the recovery of the acid and bleach compounds, from the spent solution. As far as I know, "it does not go away by itself".

You even said you have "pure flushing water now", but do not tell you you got the flushing water pure. So either you are dazzling me with brilliance, or baffling me with B.S. But you certainly are not explaining anything that I ask you to explain. I know now, you do not know.

See your post here, which is confusing. And keep in mind, they even use "medical surgery ETHER" gas, to dissolve and refine gold, it does work you know, and it does not leave any spent solutions to discard. But it is dangerous to use, as you can fall prey to the fumes. And they also use molten centrifical methods, to spin and separate precious metals, in various gravity layers, but you do not see that information revealed very much. If you seek out information relative to electrolytic refining of gold, lets say you want to set up an electrolytic refining outfit in your home, it will seem to you like a "national secret". I know about things, because unlike you, I have been in that business, and I have actually performed what I said I did. You have read information in websites.

So be careful what you say in a post, as it will be seen to be what the words say it means... Here you are indicating that you saved the solutions by restoring the solutions, "recovering the chemicals". Then you say you "are using sealed 5 gallon buckets", and then further say "you have never dumped any of it". Must be double talk? Yes, red is red, and is not the same as blood. That is why I asked you to explain what you said.

Good luck with the acidic soluitons, that do not end up as acidic soluitons, and that disappear or recover by by themselves, so that you do not have any left over problems to contend with, that way you do not fear the EPA.

But lets forget it, and move on. I am no longer interested in belaboring this point. Good luck.

I know that you can magnetize metallic iron, I've done it. And I have de-magnetized it too. I know that hematite ore are partly magnetic, and I know that illeminite ores are also partly magnetic. Both of those ores are usually found in the black sands. That is why I am asking to see if anyone knows how to magnetize black sands. I also know that there are other similiar ores, that are partly magnetic. I just want to make them fully magnetic, at least long enough to remove them from the concentrate. The fellow in Boulder did!

Originally Posted by homefire
Why would you be disposing of Useful chemicals.
All are 100% recoverable.
Sorry to hear your afraid of the man!
Sealed 5 gal buckets I use and have never dumped any of it. Sounds like stored buckets to me...
Even the flushing water is cleaned and used.

[homefire]

No Place in my post does it state I used Acids!

If I did they too could be recycled.

Mercury is NOT a good thing but if the EPA is so worried about it then why do they Mandate the Use of CFB (Compact Florencent Bulbs)..

Over the ten years I've used it, I have loosed less then that that would have been loosed from 10 light bulbs.

Have you ever broke one in your home?

[bigfoot]

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[bigfoot]

The text continues with info, I believe the three AC transformers mentioned are for removing the orginal magnetic iron, and then the iron that was magnetized by the DC transformer, as the final AC transformer

It appears that the first AC electromagnet repels most of the iron to the edges, around the DC magnet. The DC magnet then charges the "less magnetic iron" (whatever that means) which was not repelled by the first AC magnet. The remaining two AC magnets at the other end, would repel this "charged" stuff, sort of cleaning up the scraps. But thats just a guess.

It would seam worth the time to try just the first stage, that is use only one AC magnet and no DC magnet. This may eliminate most of the iron quickly.

There is no mention of transformers, just magnets. They are using three phase AC power which commonly uses voltages of 480, 240, 208, depending on their electrical service. The three phase is probably mainly for the electric motors on the equipment, I'm not sure if the AC electromagnets are three phase or if there is such a thing. They could use two of the three phases for a single phase magnet.

As far as transformers go, they are for changing the voltage as you know, and may not be necessary for your project.

Building a simple conveyor belt with a strong AC or pulsating magnet underneath seems like a worthwhile project.

240 volt single phase equipment uses smaller wire than 120 volt, but both do the same thing. Three phase motors are more efficient no matter what voltage. Three phase equipment also costs more money and may not be necessary for your project.

You should shop around for electromagnets, then build from there, as they are the most important component.

I'm working on a similar project based on eddy current separators used in the recycling industry and appreciate your enthusiasm, thank you.

Check out this video by Eriez Rare Earth Eddy Current Separators

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSgjTGtDMfA

Good luck!

[bigfoot]

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