Deephunter - THE Newest Hitec Treasure- & Cavity-Finder !

[Funfinder]

Hi landman,

the main thing is, seen from their signal-output behaviour, that P.I. detectors can be compared with
non-motion detectors because usually they do not have any stuff like automatic ground balance.

This means that if you put the PI on a table and also the coil some distance away
and you enter the coils-EM-field with a metal object it works great and nice results,
but if you walk with such coil over terrain, especially highmineralic or rocky areas,
you will directly hear the smallest coil-ground-distance and mineralization differences.

With smaller coils not so a problem but if you wanna swing the 1m frame coil in the jungle
you really need alot experience first for geting no failure-signals.

And of course the battery-consumption is high and the metal discrimination bad.

I can not speak about the Deep Tech Pioneer 4500 but the german company Lorenz is know as expensive
but of course reliable quality.

The price here is 5.200 Euro (info in german):
http://nuggets.at/LORENZ-Z1-Z-1-Deep...Metalldetektor

or google translated in english:
http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fnuggets.at%2FLORENZ-Z1-Z-1-DeepMax-Gold-Metalldetektor&langpair=de|en&hl=de&ie=UTF8


I have translated and attached the depth-info:


There also is available the additional data-logger software for 3d profiles,
seems it costs additional 1300 Euros:
http://nuggets.at/LORENZ-Z1-Z-1-3D-GPS-Data-Logger

landman, if I where you try first a P.I. that just costs you 1.000 - 2.000 bucks and afterwards decide
if you really wanna invest more than 5.000 Euros or 7.000 dollars in such a system.

Are these prices really reasonable - look here, a double frame 1m coil for 1.500 Euros:
http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nuggets.at%2FLorenz-Double-Frame-KIT-1x1m-Coil-Doppel-Rahmen-SuchSpule&langpair=de|en&hl=de&ie=UTF8
A few pipes of plastic and some cables going through normally doesn't costs that extremly much!


But buying a P.I. usually only makes sense if you really wanna use it with the 1m frame coil!
If you intend to use the most of the time the 25 - 45cm coils anyway better not go for a p.i.,
becauce the pro versus contra bill doesn't pays off, especially not if it cost you 5000 bucks plus.

If you just would need a nice chest-mountable P.I. to use for deep all-metal hunt with 45cm coil
I could recommend it (if it would costs just 1000-2000 bucks!), but this here is a different situation.

It's absolutly important that you have a good discrimination because first you wanna get to
a promising location where really is valuable stuff and it makes no sense if your detector
consumes time without end because it detects every piece of junk on your way.

The good thing of the Lorenz is that the electronic and battery is body-mounted so
hunting with the 45cm coil is very lightweight. This is the same feature the DeepHunter
offers and I can't stop to repeat how important it is for real extensive search-sessions.
It makes no sense if the detector is too heavy in your arms that after 3 hours
all motivation is gone because one or even both arms hurts like hell.
This is an issue especially if coils from 35cm to 50cm in size are used.
Using the 1m coil needs 2 persons and is easy, but this only works if the area is pretty flat.

At least as long as you don't have a wheel-modified 1m coil for the Jeohunter or DeepHunter -
this is now absolutly cool because I can detect even 3cm small stuff while dragging
this thing over the floor but also the ultra-deep material and you are free to hunt without
second person.
btw. walking as a single person directly inside a 1m p.i. frame is not a good idea, too many disturbances.



And when I read this Lorenz Info:

- EMI suppression filter for search in areas with strong interference as city and industrial areas

it makes me wonder how e-smog interactive this detector really is - I would test it first how good it
works with EMI suppression on, because I have my doubts.

landman, if you know one who has a P.I. with 1m coil bury some testobjects and walk over with it.
Only that way you see the difference of the posted in-air depth values and in real.
P.I. also can "overload" the ground thats why you really exactly need experience with
the pulse-timing and other critical adjustments. Of course you also can't detect cavity with p.i.
which can limit your find-success to detect hidden stuff in holes, rooms, graves or other caves.
Another problem is that those lose 1m p.i. coil cables don't have a good inductivity.
Its like a wire that sends out a short heavy EM-field pulse and waits what comes back.
This wire must not have high inductivity because otherwise the pulse-frequency would be too short.
So the next problem occures - pretty low sensitivity with 1m coils including slow recovery speed.
Together with bad discrimination and not existing GEB you have the whole selection of contra factors
which really should make you think very hard first if you wanna invest directly over 5000 bucks for it
or if it isn't much better to test the whole "problematic" with a much cheaper P.I. or forget about it.

The only gain of P.I. is that "under really good conditions" it will penetrate high-mineralized soil better.
The coil-size - find-size relatio must fit, the ground has to be the same high mineralized everywhere,
discrimination has to be disabled and the manual P.I. settings need to be perfectly adjusted.
Including stuff concerning how comfortable is the signal-output for the user and how good can he reads it.


my advice:
If you don't have a chance of personally testing a p.i., don't buy it or just buy one for much less money than 5200 Euro !!!
And please if you test it, do it really intensive, outside with buried objects and not just with the 1m frame put on the table.

[landman]

Very, very interesting Funfinder. I've got my VLF choices Down to deep Hunter and Golden King. My PI to Pioneer or Lorenz. The Pioneer 4500 comes with 3 coils and it costs $2,250 US.
I will end up buying both the Nokta and Makro detectors before I make a decision.

I'd like talk with you about the methods of hunting an ancient site. I spoke with a metal detector shop in Peru and he shared with me the methods of detecting a site in Peru. He says to use the Pioneer 4500 with the smallest coil and detect an area. Clean the surface trash first. First 1-2 feet. Then you put the next coil size 40-50cm and detect the next layer down, some trash still, larger deeper and possibly treasure 1-2 meters deep. Then after that has been done you take your 1M coil and detect the cleaned soil to the deepest allowable by the technology. That's what he said you should do.

Let me compare this above method with a detecting situation most are familiar with. I know that when I'm water hunting and am at a new site beach site I've never detected before. There is a 2 step process of discovering what the potential is and what equipment to use.
#1 Get in the water initially and use a Minelab Excalibur (with discriminating) to test the area quickly. See what is there (non ferrous). If it begins to produce (gold), then,
#2 Pull out the pulse machine, slow down and dig everything, deep.

So like in my previous posts let's say you are at Machu Pichu (even though it is illegal and this would not happen, but let's use this as an example) Ok so you show up with your equipment. Do you take a pulse with a small coil and begin by creating a 5mx5m grid area and do the 3 step process of clearing the trash before the final scan with the 1M coil? Or do you go in with a Deephunter with the T44 and wander around with a random pattern with fast sweeps trying to cover as much area as possible? Then if the place begins to produce, you slow down? You clear the trash and go deeper? One last question, How much DOES the surface trash stop one from getting the deeper treasure? How important is it to clear it first before detecting with 1M coil? Thank you!

[Funfinder]

hey landman,

thx for your cool "profi interests" because for me this is really motivating to be involved, too.

And it fits very well because I'm also experienced in steep and dangerous areas hunting,
so Peru or the 4500m jungle-mountains of the andes also wouldn't be a big problem to me.

The people from the MD-shop in Peru must have time without end with their method.
This method works for shure at some very trashy tourist-monuments locations but I guess
you rather wanna find rare stuff at some so far not know places.
This is also better because that way you might not get in trouble with unwanted visitors.

However of course it depends on the size and type of the promising area what is the best method.

Schliemann per instance dugged a huge trench from one side into the town-hill of Troya (Turkey).
He had no MDs in that time so he needed to see directly the different city-layers and wall structures.

I mention that because it depends on how much rubble, bricks, stones, trash and vegetation is there.

But the main thing first is to gather enough information about promising areas, and if no maps or
lucrative "this could be a promising ruin for you"-info is available, you may get it totally on
your own by investigating huge areas with a good an lightweight to hold metal-detector.

In such a case or if you just know about interesting antique places that might contain treasures
the fastest method is to hunt with a 45cm coil really large areas per day and dig out just the biggest stuff.
No matter how deep it is, first you need finds to get clues if the spot is hot or cold / if its a promising location.
I would hunt with discrimination because the larger and more important steel stuff can be located still this way.

First you may not find gold from the inkas, azteks or other tribes, but weapons, gear and other stuff.
If you don't find such things, it can be a good sign because that this region hasn't been visited by conquistadores etc.

btw. your water-search method is absolutly great.
Just depending on the size of the area I would go for the big and easy to remove stuff first.

In the jungle of course the situation is different, from inpentratable forests to dangerous steep mountain-ranges.
I wouldn't work with grid-patterns there, the main important issue is to make huge amounts of areas to get
where the interesting stuff is concentrated.


> Or do you go in with a Deephunter with the T44 and wander around with a random pattern with fast sweeps trying to cover as much area as possible?

You absolutly hit the nail!
Many people don't find treasures because they think everything must makes sense first.
This might be true if the whole story is absolutly clear and simple but often the most interesting stuff
can be found where nobody would imagine.
This means you can find huge treasures even 100 meters away from old ruins because the people
there knew that the enemies would have looked for treasures inside of the temple etc. so they
have hidden it at some much safer place. And perhaps its still there.


> How much DOES the surface trash stop one from getting the deeper treasure?

50% to not at all, I would say. It depends on the size of the deeper stuff.
It depends how thick is the interesting or "producing" layer and for what it was used.
Usually only locations with a large frequentation of tourists are full of trash.
But not if the floor or the rest is made of stones.


> How important is it to clear it first before detecting with 1M coil?

Well, if the ground consists of soft-soil or earth and is full of junk up to the size of
soda-cans you might have some problems, but usually this is not so often the case.

To give you an example with the 45cm Jeohunter nonmotion-coil at the meadow where
I located the cannon-ball 60cm deep. I worked there with sensitivity 90 and very slow
and very close to the surface so even a little penny would gave me a failure signal.

But if you use the 1 meter coil to find 50cm thick stuff 1m below you will get a huge
and completly different signal as with the very-short beeps of small and surface-near objects.
So of course you can and perhaps should use the 1m coil directly or on a 50% basis together
with the 50cm coil.

The most important objective first is to locate a promising region.
This might even leads you to a second place if the first one contains finds but not good or enough ones.
Trash only becomes a huger issue if the place is really promising and there is so much of it that you
can't avoid it. In such szenario the more trash has been removed and put away the better it is.

But I can't imagine that the place where you wanna go will be full of junk and stuff.
If this is the case you would visit an already known "tourist-place" where also since a very long
time other people looked out how lucky they are in finding treasure there which can reduce your
chance in finding something at such places significantly.
At such places I would hunt first only with the 50cm and 1m coil to check out if there are
any chances at all, because such locations could have been searched over and over again already.

Or even better - if you go to such well know attractions check out the surrounding regions first!

If the regions is scattered with stone-blocks all around and those are 50cm in size you absolutly
need the 50cm or 1m coil for having a chance to find out if there is something metallic below them.
And if they weight 100kg each you need other heavy equipment to remove them, too.

Another very important point is to let go signals! I know it's not easy if somebody gets a nice signal
after 15min of searching to ignore it, but every digging can consume alot time and time is limited.
So if you get a loud signal and you hear already from the signal that it might be just a larger object
close to the surface, better ignore it and look for those special mysterious sounding signals,
per instance very "soft" and not so loud ones over a larger area that might indicate deeper stuff.

You just have to find ONE single item or artefact that fits to the time and is connected to a special culture
and the time for research is up and for "look more closely" begins.
Now the time to gather more clues in the nearby area begins, checking out if there are any gold- or silver-coins
analyzing of the site and how it may have been connected by roads, where comes the water from etc.
Don't forget to take some different and good saws with you, you might need them to cut roots and other stuff.
The best for roots are saws that look like a knife.

btw. if you have already experience with water (underwater???) treasure-hunting you might dive into
wells or little lakes nearby because often they throw alot gold and gems into them as sacrifices to their gods.
And if you have a chance try to get really old maps from the regions where you wanna go first.
Not just to go where already are known places, but also to find out where could be so far unknown interesting
areas. Very interesting also are regions with goldmines nearby or if you are running out of money
you may get first some gold by dredging the young Amazonas rivers while they run directly from the mountains.

btw. another good tip, I'm shure you would have done this anyway:
Take a 2nd or even 3rd detector (a good one with at least 45cm coil) with you if something happens.
Including solar-accu-loaders, gps with good jungle maps and all the other stuff for the jungle like
water-cleaning-tablets and all kind of protection stuff - this is no walk in the park or camping nearby a romantic sea!

And if I find precious gold treasures there I would use a satellite-phone to call a helicopter because the usual way out
could became far too dangerous. First everything looks nice but gold can chance the character of people pretty fast.
If you buy all the equipment and invest the most of the money, if you do all the research work and organize the
whole expedition its just fair that you will get the lions-share of it, but others might think different,
per instance even those who are controlling the country itself on a bigger level. And the more people are
involved the more the treasure could became split up.
The more careful you walk into the whole project the higher is the chance you'll walk away safe and successful.
And better rely on diplomacy and good arguments than on weapons so they have a reason to fully respect you and
keep you safe, alive and happy. As long as you don't find any important it will be for the guys an amusing little
adventure, they get paid to carry the stuff, for helping and they will enjoy the treasure-hunt. BUT..... you know... GOLD....

The most important thing is that you will come back healthy and intact.
And the best thing is if you don't believe in curses and all this stuff, because this makes you stronger compared
to the superstitious people who live there and are frightend about not touching this and that.
If you hear voices or noises in the jungle keep in mind it all has pure natural reasons.
These are not the souls of the medicine-men or shamans from 500 or even 1000 years ago!

I'm shure you can do it, just relax and if it doesn't work for the first time just hang on and try again.
You have my full respect for such fantastic project because personally I'm on some same level.
Real treasure-hunting has to be some challenge because if it would be too easy, everybody could do it.

Good luck and I hope you have further questions!

[landman]

Let the games begin Funfinder!
I got thinking today.
What would be the best toolbox of detectors
for ancient sites.
Here's what seems to be the
best combination of equipment.
A 2 box, a VLF and a PI
My choices as suggested in previous post would be:
1.) TF-900 2 Box with Datalogger
2.) Deephunter or Golden King
3.) Pioneer 4500 or the Lorenz Deepmax Z1

Until I have more insights or questions attached are
some photos to get us motivated.

[Funfinder]

Hi landman,

I'm really glad that I didn't scared you off with my infos about the jungle- and gold-dangers!

But why you wanna go to the jungle at all?

Better come with me to the Balkans, to Bulgaria, Ex-Yugoslavia, Greece, Albania, Makedonia, Hungaria, Romania, Turkey, Ukraine or even India, Azerbaidzhan, Uzbekistan, Pakistan and the formerly lands of Bactria. Treasures like from 1001 Nights are waiting there! (Egypt, Israel, Jordania, Iran, Syria and Irak also would be very promising, but are too dangerous at the moment)

Anyway - your attitude is fully correct! - LET THE GAMES BEGIN *YEAH* - - 'cause it's a real huge difference of theory and practice!

Someone needs to be used an adapted to the sometimes "rough" conditions outside and:
A real treasure-hunter really has to be hot and greedy and must know how to wild his freedom!
This is the heavy but true: Enjoy every moment as if it was the final one - philosophy.
Listen to the song from Top Gun Soundtrack: Larry Greene - Through The Fire

Treasure-hunting can became the same tough but also highly rewarding.
No risk no fun and: only who bets something can win.


What do you wanna tell me with the jpgs?
Do you have bought already all these machines?
Cool new base caps Makro Group and Nokta has now created - like those from Garrett.


Please forget about the 2box and the data-logger for the jungle!
You hold it with your arm 50cm above the ground - so you can imagine that you will not much.

And all those data logger detectors are just
a fantastic opportunity for flat regions, huge deserts and stone fields but not in the Peru or other such locations.


The expensive Lorenz you can buy after you made already the big money or have found a location with potential.
But instead of this detector you may better go for a graphical magnetometer detector with 3d output software,
it could be much more promising. Magnetometers don't show gold very good but cavity where gold could be.

The Pioneer 4500 must have a 45 or 50cm coil otherwise it will be not much of use for you!

The Golden King has no lightweight and easy to use 45cm motion-coil!
In the jungle you only can use it with 60-70% sensitivity.

This here is too heavy but it would be an alternative compared to the Golden King for the "investigation-search":

http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nuggets.at%2FNokta-FORS-GOLD-Pro-Package-Metalldetektor-Set&langpair=de|en&hl=de&ie=UTF8

It costs 1000 Euro but comes with all kind of coils from very small to 40cm.

But it is heavy, perhaps too heavy for the jungle! You really should use a detector with hangaroundable electronic unit,
either the DeepHunter with the already extremly deep and sensitivy lightweight 35cm motion coil or a P.I. detector with 45cm coil.
Deep in jungle or up at stony regions the DeepHunters 35cm coil would be better because of the weight and you can work
much better.

Because the steps are: first check out the region, next search with the bigger coils and final use the profi equipment.
You have to improve the connection-cables of the DeepHunter first with gaffa-tape of course for the rough jungle but
with this detector you have afterwards the full joice concerning other coil, and you can work with good discrimination from the
beginning.

btw. you also can get the XP Deus incl. the 35cm coil for lightweight jungle exploration first.
However it would be wasted money because you can have even better detection results with the motion mode
and the 35cm DeepHunter coil. But you can get it as a second backup detector.

And you may find other detectors than the Pioneer 4500!
In Bulgaria you can find interesting P.I.s for just 1000 Euros or you can get very powerful ones from Germany.
Just don't rely very much on the so called discrimination they may offer - it could work, it could not.


btw. toolbox, you will need alot of tools, high resolution binoculars, even night-sight or temperature-camera.
Heavy steel equipment to remove boulders, camping stuff, booze (to became immune against the viruses ),
pick-axes, steel-bars, shovels and heavy boxes with locks incl. alarm-circuits to secure the found stuff.

For your comfort you should get a cook and enough food-stuff and even a portable satellite-dish because the
nights could became boring.
However it all depends how far you are away from the next village.

And please don't do it like the Hofmann gold diggers crew in Guyana - they gone 250.000 bucks broke in 2013 !!!
You can watch the whole episodes online or dl the movies if you should haven't seen their gold- and diamond-washing project.

Another good tip, even if it might sounds crazy:
Go into the pubs and bars of those regions and ask around for info.
There exists insider info for free you have absolutly no clue about !!! All you have to do is asking the right persons.
Of course you have to be careful and check out that this info is somehow secure and no fairy-tale of drunken sailors etc.
But trust me, such absolutly "gold-worth-infos" really exists, per instance I heard where a british WW2 plane was shot down
just a few km from where I live but virtually nobody knows about it meanwhile and can take advantage from it ... besides me!
I got this info just by simple talking to people I met while treasure-hunting.

And don't get stressed out - the first 5 days just relax, check the whole situation and try to collect useful infos.
In such a region I also would look for guys who know the nature out there like their trouser-pockets.
You don't wanna find yourself infront of wild-water-rivers you have to cross. At least you need some good ropes to get over them.
Stuff to scare away wild animals also might be a good investment. You don't wanna end up as yummy food for wild-cats!
A person who speaks the native language but also english also can come in handy.
Also think about powerful lamps and portable generators so you can dig at night, too. There is nothing more frustrating
than if you found a promising spot and night comes in, dooms you and the whole team to inactivity.

If I where you perhaps a test-run with minimal-equipment first could be also a good alternative.
Visit the place like a tourist but already with powerful metal-detector and check out how far you can come on the easy way.
However it depends on you, such a try-out can became frustrating if you directly hit a promising location and
then you have to wait and re-organize everything first before you really start.

So if you can perhaps better "make no prisoners", go in with heavy equipment so you are able to get there what you like directly!
I would prefer to "go for the jackpot" directly but it depends on the overall conditions you meet there.

What kind of metal detectors you use is the lesser problem, of course they should be the best fiting for the hunting site.
Important are backup detectors including sensitive pinpointers and a very reliable team you can trust on.
Also have already now good plans how you wanna get the gold and the artefacts out of there if you find any.
This could became the most complex task for you, anyway !!! You have to be creative as a treasure-hunter !!!

Good luck and keep me updated on your expedition-progresses!

[landman]

Let me ask you Funfinder. When constructing a test garden ,not the typical kind for coinhunting but for testing a machine like the Deephunter and respecting the types of larger deeper items we are looking for. What types of metals, size, alloys, junk are necessary to test and more importantly to get to know one's deepseeking machine? Let me start.

For voids bury a 2 liter plastic bottle at varying depths 1,2,3,4 feet.
Bury a 10 liter bucket upside down stuffed with non metalic material to create
a larger void at 2, 3,4,5 ft
Then bury a 55 gallon plastic barrel 1 and 2 meters deep.

Regarding metal objects:
Collect: Copper plate or pail, brass figurine, silver plated bowl
or if you can afford a silver bowl .925
Iron objects of various sizes.
Steel objects
Find a bunch of gold rings at beaches
melt down keeping the various karats separated
one pile 14k, another pile 18k. Melt and make small
bars.

How are we doing? Anything I missed?

Of course we can place multiple targets of various combinations
together.

[landman]

Ok I forgot lead, stainless steel, aluminum and bronze.

[landman]

Let's talk about the differences between a Deephunter 100 x 60cm coil vs the typical PI 1 meter square coil.
What I know so far is that the Deephunter's coil is a very large double D which you said in the Jeohunter thread
was more sensitive to smaller objects. But is being sensitive to smaller objects for a larger coil counter productive?
Is not the idea of a large coil, like a 1 meter coil, to allow you the benefit of covering large areas plus going deeper
AND eliminating the smaller pesky stuff? What other benefits do you get with the 100x60 cm Deephunter coil over the 1Meter PI coil?

[Funfinder]

Cool idea that you wanna create a test-garden for real deep- and cavity stuff, landman.

But you should not do this on a flat land. Look for a steep region, even on the top, where you can dig deep holes from the side.
btw. you can watch the Makro Group test garden video clips, they not just have air-tested their coils.
Close to rivers you also might find such locations, where the water has washed away the ground.

For cavity forget about bury a plastic bucket under usual soil, if it is not mineralized strong enough.
Mineralization is like metal but with negative values, so you need some strong enough interactivity-conditions.

If you have 200kg of bricks you can create a a little test field with hole in the middle, the relation has to be at least
50cm thick surrounding brick layer and hole with a 25cm thick layer of bricks above it.
If you are not experienced with the detector better use first just 15cm and a hole with at least size 50x50cm.
Of course you can place at the bottom of that hole some 10cm metal object so you can detect both, cavity and metal inside.
If the bricks are too heavy mineralized it may block off the metal detection but the cavity still should be noticable.


To detect cavity under real conditions of course we have the whole ground full of mineralization
down to x meters and if there is a 2x2meter room below a 50cm thick stone layer of course this
will create a huge difference, compared with the usual ground-value-level.


Test objects you can use what you want at a reasonable depth buried.
If you bury them put them in trash-plastic bags, bury the stuff but leave a little bit
of the end of the sack outside of the closed hole so you simple can drag the stuff out.
You also can attach a notize at the plastic so you know what is in the hole and how deep.
Better of course would be a location where you can dig a 1meter deep hole from the side
into from above untouched soil and fill it with all kind of stuff on different depths.


> Ok I forgot lead, stainless steel, aluminum and bronze

The DeepHunter is absolutly the same super deep no matter if iron, steel, gold, silver, alu or whatever.
However first the more important is just iron disc for you and to locate a real useful site.
Depending how unknow the ruins are you go you even won't find any iron at all, if they didn't
use it there.

Important, seen into direction of your aims in the jungle, would be to bury 5cm and larger stuff
and check out how deep you can find them, up to 1m sized metal plates really deep buried.

About the 1m coil: it has to do with sensitivity, that the Jeohunter / DeepHunter also will detect small stuff.
Eliminating small stuff you can get very easily by holding the coil 40cm above ground-level.
btw. even a 1m PI coil will react if a small metal object directly is very close to the plastic tubes,
because this can create some sort of "EM-field shortcut". Not really a shortcut, but enough to give a signal.

btw. there is no need to "eliminate" the pesky small stuff with the 60x100cm coil because you directly can
hear if its small or not. A very short beep including a short and steep curve shown on the oscilloscope screen
tells you directly that its small so you just can ignore it.
And if you hold the coil around 25cm above the soil you will not get disturbed by the smaller stuff, anyway.

The main benefit is for shure the much better metal-discrimination and -recognition including cavity detection possibilty
compared with the 1m PI coil, combined with much stronger EM-field and electro-smog stability.
Even the usage is the double good, because you can penetrate jungle regions better with 60cm size than 100cm.

If you have already a pi detector, perhaps you can create for it a 1m coil by yourself?!
This may gives you already an enough impression of the differences.
You also can see it simply from the amount of wires! The 1m PI coil uses perhaps 500 gram of wire
while the Jeohunter / DeepHunter coil 3kg !!! The contrast factor created by a real powerful inductivity
field is completly different. Not to forget about the straight away or direct recovery speed.
With a PI you have to work pretty slow if you really wanna get good depth results,
because a fast moving coil can blurr the signal of deeper metal objects very easy.

If you have so much concerns and questions and if you have enough time and money
perhaps the best is for you to go where you can test all those detectors of your interests
before you buy them. www.metaldetector.com in the USA sells the DeepHunter here:

http://www.metaldetector.com/makro-d...metal-detector
They are located in:
23 Turnpike Rd., Southborough, MA 01772 USA

Or - if you're in Europe you may test it by yourself in Austria or Turkey (close to Europe).
Istanbul always is worth a nice adventure-trip and you may get it there even for a friendship-price!

[landman]

Ok just got off the phone with a Nokta distributor who knows his stuff. He said Peru is full of (NACL) salt soil. He said the GK is not so good in high salinity soils. Do you know Funfinder what the Deephunter's reaction is to salt laden soil? By the way I won't be in the jungle more so on the west coast on mountains.

[Funfinder]

Hi landman,

i doubt that Peru' soil is full of natrium chlorid salt, especially not high up on the mountains!
There are some saltveins but they are just at special places inside the mountain.
but however: salt = high mineralic and for high mineralic ground a powerful detector is needed.

Personally I haven't tested the reaction of the DeepHunter or Jeohunter at salty-sand beaches yet
but on high-mineralized brick stones and there it did a fantastic job.


In 2010 i found an axe-head below a 45cm layer of high mineralized red bricks with the Jeohunter.

But this means you need some patience and experience for optimal results.

Of course the new DeepHunter now also has the new high sensitive motion-circuit with auto-ground-balance.

At extremly high mineralized ground the coil-ground distance should to be always at the same level
and if the ground-mineralization changes apruptly, of course it can cause failure signals.

Of course for detecting cavity mineralized ground is very good as long as it isn't too deep or mineralized.

Anyway, in such a case you need a powerful detector, if you wanna hunt without discrimination a P.I.
with 50cm coil also works, with small enough coil it will find little gold stuff but also all kind of iron objects.

But if I would have to find a lucrative location first, I would hunt with high discrimination and with the large 45cm
DeepHunter motion coil. And afterwards I would check out for cavity and real deep stuff with the big non-motion coils.

If the price of the DeepHunter or Golden King is too high, you may try out the Blisstool LTC 64x v5 with
the large 35cm coil for just around 700 Euro or an even better special price bought from Bulgaria directly.
It is not so complicated to use and adjust, but if you want to work for many hours per day and especially if
you have to find a totally new location first, the weight really adds up and can reduce your motivation-level alot.
I have tested this and a large 35-50 cm coil plus holder and cable should have maximal 1,5kg for good hunting all day.

[landman]

Funfinder there is something already available (DeepTech) and there are other (PM me and I'll share if you want) detectors coming out with a combination Pulse Induction with a magnetometer built within the same coil and allowing additional info on the screen. So a discriminating PI plus a magnetometer added so both are combined and outputted on to the visual screen. What are your thoughts about that?

[Funfinder]

Hi landman,

yesterday I watched the docu:
Treasure Seekers - Lost Cities Of The Inca (National Geographic, from the year 2000)
I wanted to find out more about it. Please tell me if you have seen this movie already.

If you would go to the plains of Nazca you may have salty ground but not on the mountains.
And the stoneblocks at Machu Pichu don't look very mineralic, they're granite.
Or do you wanna go goldwashing on the shore?

The real promising land seems to be "Espiritu Pampa", west of Machu Pichu and there you have alot jungle.
I also saw a docu about treasure-hunting directly at Nazca but the most stuff they found there are made of
non-metallic materials. They sacrificed there special stones, little stone-figurines to receive healing or whatever.

However from my personal impression: Peru still is stuffed with treasures, gold, silver and gemstones!
But this region needs a real adventurer like Hiram Bingham in combination with good technology and enough
fascination in exploring this wild jungle country, climb up the mountains etc inluding enjoying the whole expedition.

And perhaps you're better off if you don't speak spanish, but english. The most of the young people
there will speak english anyway.



Those P.I. plus magnetometer detectors seems to be not the best choice.
They want to achieve (better) discrimination for the PI with the magnetometer
but this is only some workaround and just useful for huge flat areas with the 1m coil.
Same with the detection-field-mapping software.

This works on large sunken cities below sand where on the surface are just
some low ruins remaining like in Egypt or Arabia and at steppe regions
but I doubt you get such conditions in Peru besides those desert areas like Nazca.
And there are no sunken cities at this location as far as I know, just some still visible ritual-places.

btw. the region is closed for non-archaelogists but also full with non-allowed hunters!
Just ask around in the nearby villages and they will be happy to introduce you,
especially if you come with some gifts and good detectors.
However I doubt you will find much gold there!
The easiest way to see some gold and silver in Peru: visit churches.
The people there are still the same superstitious as 500 years ago, offering the "gods" gold and silver
or spilling booze on the mountains as a sacrifice to the mysterious protection-spirits of them!
Or they slaughter llamas and sacrifice the blood but the yummy meat of course is for themselves!
And those are very proud people so the best is you don't make too many jokes about their rituals
or you could end up as their next victim!

Tell them that you are hunting for the old relics of their anchestors -
for the lost and real precious "cult objects" and if they support you, their gods will be highly pleased.

And don't became suspected in transporting important finds secretly out of their country or you could get the
same problems as Bingham did. The best deal could be if you make a good profit directly at Peru so you
will leave just with a nice amount of money from there!

If you find the right persons you will be the king anyway if you get them some real old objects,
it will be a sensation for them!!!
btw. I know such persons - they are everywhere.
They wanna have unique stuff no one other has or ever can buy, it's as simple as that!
it makes them feel fantastic and its absolutly priceless for their ego.

[landman]

Findfinder, take a look at this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jy1jk-VoB10

[Funfinder]

better watch this - I found it by pure coincidence after 3 clicks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqSvmczi8L0

I can tell you this is real because its no problem to find 35x40cm alu-cases
in air from 2meter already with the Jeohunter and the DeepHunter even
has an improved non-motion circuit that you see on the video.


btw. the link before it was VLF versus Pulse:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_k2FMiR9B9o

Because I wanted to find you something in this direction, at best with a 50cm PI coil.

But check out this here - its a PI with disc and 1m coil - its the Thrace Terra 2 P.I. :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAmUqUc2VnE

Beware the coil sits very quietly on top of the soil
and usually while walking it is 15cm above and always moving around.


With P.I. theres quite a difference if the coil is mounted static or in air vs moving and the mineralized soil below gets energized with heavy E.M.pulses first.

Here you can compare the results, because they use also a smaller coil with the PI in the second half of the video
with the DeepHunters 45cm motion coil - 20x20cm object buried at 1meter10:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LanmiDl6TZU


However first you really need to know for what exactly and for what location ist the detector needed.
And if you have to find a whole new antique-site first where you have no clue how deep is the stuff buried
and what ground it is, you won't come much far with those usual 25-30cm detectors, no matter if pi or vlf.

If I understood it correctly you're looking for something with useful visual output and versatile
enough for many different hunting-conditions. Or does this has changed meanwhile?

If you find an useful PI with disc plus 25cm, 50cm and 1m coils for a good price and hang over the neck unit of course
it would be also a good deal for "Level 1" - the discovery of the "promising play-ground"
because it also would be very lightweight for extensive search-sessions.

But as I told you already, if you wanna try your luck with such a big coils P.I. I would test that first.
It also depends how good you can deal with the r-r-r-r-r-r sound of the P.I. and how correct you
can read the difference if the more "rrrrrrr" comes just from a coil-to-ground nearing or
from a real metal object. And it has to do with how much junk and iron infested is the region at all
and how good your "find the right spot first"-detector should be able to discriminate there.


You also may ask here in the projects area those with long time P.I. experiences
how useful and reliable the discrimination with magnetometers or other methods really is:
http://www.geotech1.com/forums/forum...hp?14-Projects

good luck!