Deus 2 or Manticore

[ivconic]

Got "me self" this finally.
Second hand, still under warranty (expires 2027), in correct shape.
Wasn't planned. Quite coincidence.
F/W was v0.6 and total LAME!
Updated it to v3.1 and now we are talking.
At first glance... to put it shortly; my Deus 1 is quite "deeper" than this.
What's the catch?
Placebo?
After the initial disappointment and watching a dozen Youtube "How to"s (all of them totally stupid and useless)... I had to sit down and read the User manual anyway.
It has potential.
It has a chance to achieve a bit more than Deus 1.
But it will take a lot of "turning the knobs"... to guess the winning combination.
It will take a time...

[EL NINO]

The advantage and disadvantage of D2 is the variability of programs... where a program or a certain group of programs based on a certain program behaves differently in detection than other significantly different programs...

D2 needs to be really well known... and tested to verify how the given programs work with each other on your terrain...

For D2, the sensitive programs will be good for mineralized terrain, or the Fast program... because the basis of the Fast program is also the sensitive program..

The Gold program in D2 behaves significantly differently. than the Gold program in D1., and it may not be the best in mineralization. That surprised me..... because it is too sharp for such terrain..,,, while the Gold program in D1 was the best program for mineralization..

Ivconic.... it is quite possible that D1 will win in testing... but recently my colleague Prymek... made a video where D1 and D2 are, and Versa, but at the end of the test, he states certain facts..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Uuwc-ZaDVM

[ivconic]

With great regret, I apologize in advance, but I cannot seriously comment on that video.
For the first 5 minutes of the video, I seriously thought about suicide!
To that extent, everything was boring, disjointed and extremely impersonal.
And then I recognized the style and the production!
Well, this is the "Golden Harvest" Hong Kong production from the early '70s!
The thing when the actor speaks in Chinese and the dubbing goes in bad and often wrong English... !
"Police Academy 2" is the first thing comes to mind! lol
The worst for the end!
The worst part of the whole story is that I didn't get the point at the end?
What did the "writer" mean?

[EL NINO]

The point of the test and actually the story is that .. even though the single-frequency Deus1 on a 9" coil achieved the best result in that test.. in practical everyday detection it may look different... The deepest signals are now detected by multi-frequency detectors Deus2, Manticore and Versa... on traversed terrain where 20 years ago many single-frequency detectors were used.. That is the reality...
Prymek is a detection specialist.. and has many years of daily detection practice.. because he often cooperates with archaeologists for several months a year on several-month field research of some sites in Poland..

Prymek has 5 test fields on various mineralized terrain, the targets are at the borderline depths for a given type of terrain..... The most mineralized is the "Golden Forest" test field on extremely mineralized magnetite terrain, we actually created together... with Prymek...

Somewhere near the Prymek mountain test field..

[ivconic]

Correct me if I'm wrong; but the point of the whole video is to say that single frequency detectors are apparently better, but in fact they are not?
Well, he could say that in one sentence in 5 seconds, right?

I went through all 9 gates of hell watching the video and waiting for the point.

Otherwise I wouldn't have devoted even 2 seconds of my precious time to that video; that it did not come as your recommendation.
...
Back to the point, ok, I don't know, I don't know... it's too complicated for me.
Today I took to the field for the first time with Deus 2.
There were moments of despair, there were moments of mediocrity, but there were also a few breathtaking moments.
It's hard to explain it all, I was changing settings and guessing all the time.
I think Deus 2 is worth paying attention to.
It is still too early to draw conclusions.
For God's sake; I've had a Deus 1 since 2012 and to this day I'm not clear on some things.
All self-centered ambitions to pretend to be an expert here left me a long time ago.

[ivconic]

I think the real question on this topic is the following: why at XP Deus 1 and now in Deus 2 factory programs are so LAME?
What kind of conspiracy, intrigue is this?
Why don't they write good and powerful programs right away at the factory?
I know! They don't seem to know how!?
They build a machine, add a million options and then trick us customers into finding the best settings!?
We customers are useful idiots for them!
Not only do we willingly give them exorbitant amounts of money; but later also we give them the best solutions for their machines!



It wasn't like that in the good old days! White's programmed their digital machines right from the factory with very good programs.

[EL NINO]

According to Prymek, the D1 is an excellent example of an optimized 1-frequency detector...

If you switch the D2 to a single frequency...you won't make it a D1..

The work of the D2 on 1 frequency will not be as good or optimized as it is with the D1..because the signal with the D2 is more filtered..

The strength of the D2 is in the work in multifrequency.. because multifrequency can detect targets that are very demanding for 1 frequency...this is primarily about targets that are masked by strong mineralization of the terrain, iron stones,, or ceramics... or conductivity of the terrain..

Multifrequency is not just more frequencies at once,,,it is a complex processing of the signal from the frequencies used...so that the detector can effectively and accurately detect in difficult terrain...

I personally am a Stoic...as for the D1 and D2...and I often use them to check the terrain of the detected other detectors...and I have practically never experienced the WaW effect... from the number or quality of targets.. that were found behind other detectors..that I have worked with on multifrequency or on 1 frequency..

In the next few days I will do some specific tests of Deus2 on 1 frequency vs multifrequency and I will add D1 on elliptical HF coil to the testing..

[EL NINO]

I think the real question on this topic is the following: why at XP Deus 1 and now in Deus 2 factory programs are so LAME?
What kind of conspiracy, intrigue is this?
Why don't they write good and powerful programs right away at the factory?
I know! They don't seem to know how!?
They build a machine, add a million options and then trick us customers into finding the best settings!?
We customers are useful idiots for them!
Not only do we willingly give them exorbitant amounts of money; but later also we give them the best solutions for their machines!



It wasn't like that in the good old days! White's programmed their digital machines right from the factory with very good programs.

Ivconic... which D2 programs do you specifically have in mind..?

In D1, the Basic program was edited at a frequency of 8khz... which brought the detector into the detection capabilities of ACE 400..

[ivconic]

Spongebob got his new squarepants today...

[ivconic]

Ivconic... which D2 programs do you specifically have in mind..?

In D1, the Basic program was edited at a frequency of 8khz... which brought the detector into the detection capabilities of ACE 400..

All!
All are "faint" and "without blood"...
Each one needs additional trims.

[Nightryder]

I see that you've already made a choice, but I'm responding here for the sake of discussion so it may help those who haven't made a decision just yet. This question took me some time to answer for myself before I get the manticore. They are definitely the best in the market until today and believe me when I say there's no bad choice between the two. There are only "better" and "best"! meaning that there's no place for regret here. What you want from the machine is the ultimate factor in your decision.

The manticore is more sensitive to sub gram gold nuggets. The Deus 2 weighs 750 grams and the manticore is 1.3 kg with the 11" coil. Personally, I always try to avoid "built in lithium batteries" whenever I can, which is the case with the Deus 2 coils although it has a cable plug in. If XP has made an easy access to replace the battery in the coil, then it shouldn't be big of a deal. My advice to you or anyone who have this dilemma is that ppl can be bias to what they own or like, and what suits them doesn't necessarily meet your needs. Good luck.

[ivconic]

I didn't make the choice, the choice made me.
I came to Deus 2 unplanned, pure coincidence.
And my local friend had an Equinox 800 and now has a Mantiocore.
We both owned several Vanquish models.
So I saw all those models on real soils.
I've had a Deus 1 since 2012.
I've only changed the battery pack once, it's easy.
And I changed batteries for others as well. No problem at all.
As for the comparison: Deus 2 or Manticore... I don't have enough experience with either, so I can't compare.
The Deus 2 has a huge advantage in my eyes because of the wireless coil and because of the "box" design.
I never carry it mounted on a stem, I always carry it in a leather case on a collar.
I've been doing the same with Deus 1 for 13 years now.
By the way, here on the forum, on several different topics; I always fiercely criticized that new "fashion", that design like Equinox, Manticore, Nokta and many others.
I don't want to repeat myself. It is a most inappropriate design for the type of terrain I visit regularly.
In terms of performance; I can't say anything for now, I'm still in the phase of learning the possibilities of Deus 2.
And Manticore on the other hand; has not impressed me so far.
A friend who has one; he constantly takes out of soil tons of garbage with it.

[EL NINO]

By the way, here on the forum, on several different topics; I always fiercely criticized that new "fashion", that design like Equinox, Manticore, Nokta and many others.
I don't want to repeat myself. It is a most inappropriate design for the type of terrain I visit regularly.

You have to leave these heretical thoughts behind..Iconic..

Regarding Manticore and digging unsolicited targets..the question is, is it ferrous or non-ferrous waste?
How would you compare it to Equinox? I have a definite opinion on that...

[ivconic]

...You have to leave these heretical thoughts behind..Iconic.....

What is "heretical" in the statement that such a design does not work on my grounds?
I hate to repeat myself, my grounds are steep hills with lots of small vegetation.
There are many sharp branches on the way up the hill.
The design that Equinox and Manticore (Nokta and many others) have is such that the detector housing stands vertically on the stem and the coil cable is high and looks like a real branch trap.
"Ideal" conditions that sooner or later a branch will damage your cable, connector, maybe even the detector box itself. Not to mention the scratches.
I never carry Deus1 and now Deus2 mounted on the stem. And I repeated that a million times. I carry Deus1 and Deus2 in leather holsters around my neck. Coil has no cable.
The stem is thin, elegant and very strong. Ideal for my terrains!
What is "heretical" in this?!

[ivconic]

...Regarding Manticore and digging unsolicited targets..the question is, is it ferrous or non-ferrous waste?
How would you compare it to Equinox? I have a definite opinion on that...

They find too much of both types of garbage. Ok, time to take off the gloves and speak openly.
I didn't want to turn this into a spitting contest.
But I don't like Equinox and Manticore one bit.
One and the same machine under several different names and with different prices.
A long-known ML practice. To make "xx" products from one project.
I don't like the depth.
I don't like the behavior of the detector.
I don't like the GUI totally.
But definitely the biggest problem is the vertical box fixed on the stem.
And the cable connector is too high.
Definitely not my cup of tea.