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[ivconic]

Actually I make my money in the mortgage business.

Than you are straight legalist, considering your remarks on my posting.
Ok, i understand your point of view and i can not disagree.
Who am i to be trusted? You don't know me.
But that's exactly why i do always offer here only checkable and provable claims.
It is splendid thing that you are also Deus owner!
So you can always easily check all my claims and see.
That's how you will know if i was right or wrong.
Cheers!

[barryny]

Actually I make my money in the mortgage business.

[ivconic]

"...yes, i believe all the manufacturers take their unit to some salt water beach to test it and make the correct settings versus making simulated results if they claim it performs on a salt water beach in wet sand..."

To other members (because our friend has smarter things to do in life):
This is very interesting point and i would like to hear other opinions.
Would be benefitial for us here to know such details.
Personally i am not excluding this as possible but rather can take it as pretty rare case.
If this is the "rule" than i don't see the point of preparing all those testing pits with various setups and referent soil conditions.
Carl is the one who can help us on this. Maybe somebody else?
But even so; this will by no means negate nothing what i already posted relating to facts on Deus and Bliss.
So i don't see the point!?

[ivconic]

"....i'm not looking to get into a pissing contest with you..."

Neither do i!
God no!
I consider you and other members here as distant friends to talk with.
Ok, i will not take your time no more, but please at least do what you promised;
do take Deus on the beach and please do the adjustments i suggested.
Later be fair and inform us here about your impressions!
Like i said; many thanks in advance!
Cheers!

[ivconic]

I knew it!
I swear i knew it!
You are just one of those affected by my posting here!
So you have much smarter things to do? Making $$$ !
Selling Blisstools maybe!?



"...we call this in America - being an "armchair quarterback" ..."

We call it "armchair referee" here in Serbia, meaning exactly the same.

And yes, you are right; i am "armchair quarterback" in many things in life (aren't we all?) , but be sure i am not that now in this md things...

[barryny]

we call this in America - being an "armchair quarterback" - making play calls when you have never been in the field.

i'm not looking to get into a pissing contest with you as I have much more productive things ($$$) to do with my time but we should now think about all your posts that come with such conviction when perhaps they are all just conjectures on your part...

yes, i believe all the manufacturers take their unit to some salt water beach to test it and make the correct settings versus making simulated results if they claim it performs on a salt water beach in wet sand.

have a great day. i will try your settings and let you know if the Deus hits the gold chain or not.

[ivconic]

Carl is here. He works for White's.
He can help us on this:
does White's send EE's on some distant beach (120 km is nearest) to test each new model and than to program "beach" modes at those?!?
Minelab?
Cscope?
Fisher?
Garrett?
I seriously have doubts!
There are referent conditions on testing pits at each serious manufacturer, where given conditions are improvised.
Period!
Toulouse, France, (XP) is least 150km away from nearest seaside.
So?
Actually those people are pushed to go there and check each of their products!?
Or they are lying us all the time!

[ivconic]

OK - thank you for your thoughts. I will check this out for you next time on salt water beach.

So to summarize - from what you say above - you actually NEVER used the Deus on a salt water beach in the wet sand and was able to detect a gold chain? Correct?

If you never did this - then think about what you write before you make statements of fact. Thanks. If you did test at the salt beach and it worked - I apologize.

Correct, i didn't.
But do you think is impossible to improvise same conditions as you mentioned?
What do you think: each manufacturer is lying too, considering that most of those are not located on seaside!!?
I have here much tougher soil conditions than on any beach.
Besides, i have descent experience with beach searching.
I only don't want to lie people and to say that i checked Deus exactly on some beach - cose i didn't so far and it is fact.
But suming all my previous experiences on real beach hunting (almost each year or two i spend least 20 days on seaside, during holidays and than i do have fun with some metal detectors there).
So i have "beach" experiences very well.
According to those and using present experiences with Deus it is very easy to predict everything.

Hey! Don't push me to buy truck full with sand and several sacks with sea salt!
Just to prove something which really not need to be proved at all!
You are saying you have Deus? Ok, give it a try.
Than inform us here.
Thanks in advance!

[barryny]

OK - thank you for your thoughts. I will check this out for you next time on salt water beach.

So to summarize - from what you say above - you actually NEVER used the Deus on a salt water beach in the wet sand and was able to detect a gold chain? Correct?

If you never did this - then think about what you write before you make statements of fact. Thanks. If you did test at the salt beach and it worked - I apologize.

[ivconic]

Look, logical question would be: "Deus is having two Beach modes, so why the hell this guy is telling me to use GMP and Fast programs??!"

Simply because i didn't have need to work and test Deus in those modes, therefore i don't know what to say and suggest relating to those.
Nearest beach is 600km away from me.
But on glance i can say that i don't like Wet Beach program at all and there is no wonder why Deus wasn't able to detect golden chain in that mode.
Dry Beach looks a bit more promising, but i can not swear it will do the job you want.
So that's why i rather suggest GMP and Fast modes.

[ivconic]

IVCONIC - "Deus will "eat" it like a joke."....

I have the Deus - tell me how to set it up to find gold chains in the wet sand on a salt water beach.

Thanks.

I suggested to Carl some adjustments. Not problem to repeat again here.

* Pick GMP or Fast program.
* Rise Sense to 94,95...even more if current conditions do allows that. Otherwise if you face a lot of silent chatters than leave it at 94 or a bit less. Be aware that Deus is very "hot" machine in those two programs. Don't be surprised if occasional short and silent chatters appears. But also don't worry about those, because usefull signal will always be very different and cognizable, also stronger in amplitude.
* Most important step: GB! Use Manual GB adjustment. First few steps give it a time to properly "read" GB and display GB number on upper part on the right side of LCD.
Walk slow and make several wide but slow swings to make it to properly read GB.
Than adjust manually GB on value which is for 2-3 higher than present GB value. For example: if it reads GB as "85" than you adjust GB to 86-87.
During your walking and searching; do observe and follow GB number as it will change repectively to changes in soil (sand).
If it change to significantly lower/higher value - than you do follow it by readjusting GB to 2-3 higher/lower than it is at the moment.
If GB change to not so significant difference (let's say from 85 up to 87 or down to 83) than leave it and continue with searching, until more significant change in GB readings appear.
Such kind of "work" is demanding and ask user to be active all the time.
Of course it is very good because that's only way to keep and maintain machine at "edges" of splendid performances.
I also have noticed one very important difference between GMP and Fast program.
Most of the time i do work in GMP. But when i face some doubtful signal where i am not sure about target character - i do switch to Fast and repeat short swings over target.
Fast turns to be a bit more accurate in such situations than GMP. But than GMP seems a bit deeper than Fast.
...
Those would be most important tips for fast mastering on Deus.
Of course, Deus is rich with many other adjustments. You can experiment and see.
Speaking of Deus, don't take me as ultimate expert, because i am not! I am having it only for 3 months and i do know and use only basic adjustments for now.
But even with those only; i figured out how to pull out superb performances from it.
Deus is demanding machine. Not for lazy people.
One more thing: all the time i am working at 18kHz and so far didn't checked it well at lower frequencies.
But i heard somewhere it can run very nice at 12kHz too (speaking of smaller targets).
So if you have enough time to experiment; try it and see.

Enjoy!

[barryny]

Deus setting for gold chain...please

IVCONIC - "Deus will "eat" it like a joke."....

I have the Deus - tell me how to set it up to find gold chains in the wet sand on a salt water beach.

Thanks.

[ivconic]

No doubt that Carl can do that, but then adieu those extra depth. LTC64 will then convert back to 1266 with 13 controls button/switches.

C'mon! You don't read my posts!
Bliss has NOTHING to do with no 1266 at all!
I had 1266 and i still have 1265.
We have here schematics of those on forum.
1265 and 1266 are almost identical designs. Minor differences.
It is not hard to analyze 1265 schematic and compare with Bliss.
By comparing Bliss with 1266 you are actually placing HUGE OFFEND on 1266's account!
Because 1266 is one cute and nice machine!
State of the art in analogue designing!
Of course, old and obsolete design from 90's, but still very nice machine, competitive even today. Not extreme deep, but than very fine and accurate.
After all; who cares about rough extreme depth?!
On 80% of local Roman&Byzant sites we don't really need deep machines at all.
We need fine and accurate machines with fast response and no masking problems.
1266 is excellent for such tasks!
Only novices and greenhorns insist on extreme depths.
And even than; if you want extreme depths: than is smarter to use PI detector.
And people who are mostly delusional in their efforts to get fast fortune, relying on their sweet dreams, using various brainless maps, fairy tales and false historical facts, such people will demand "deep" machines by any cost.
I am not against deep VLF, but also i know all the compromises that come with.

So insisting on few very false claims, like:
* Bliss is based on 1266... or whatever Fisher,
* It is extreme deep (ha,ha,ha!)
* It is "better" than Deus, Spectra and Explorer (ooooohahahahahahahahahahaha!)
was complete miss done by Bliss sellers and promoters.

Autogol!
Blunder!
They sold few machines with help of such claims but than also rised much unnecessary dust in public.
Pretty soon real facts are coming in public and people will hesitate to buy such devices.
Wasn't it smarter to appear on market with a bit more modest approach and try to build image on more stable basis?
How about a truth for a start?
Real facts?
Real, fair and objective promotions?
More we think on this - more this reminds me on Mineoro sindrome!
Kinda "take little&fast money and go!" philosophy!

[WM6]

So all what Carl have to do is to open Bliss box, locate proper trimmer and readjust it better.
If Carl can't do that - nobody can't!

No doubt that Carl can do that, but then adieu those extra depth. LTC64 will then convert back to 1266 with 13 controls button/switches.

[ivconic]

USA soil conditions differs than European, i noticed that long time ago.
Even typical magnetism values differs. USA average value is 60 000nT while European is 47 000nT.
Next interesting thing i noticed at some of metal detectors produced in USA; GTI2500 for example: it's Disc "table" looks a bit shifted and less tolerant. Despite the fact it is powerfull machine; still it is unable to locate nice small coins at shallow depths on some local soils. It is all about Disc/Geb circuitry: too "stiff". In AM mode it is detecting it on tripple depth!
Although i haven't chance to work more with Spectra; i also noticed simillar behavior at it too.
Also at many other USA models. Seems USA manufacturers are adjusting their products a bit "stiffer" to suit those soil conditions there.
Ah yes; Fisher CZ too!
Maybe i am wrong in this; but i suspect that as a main reason why Bliss wouldn't GB so easy there.
Here in Europe we have indeed nasty soils, especially on ancient Roman&Byzant sites.
But seems that kind of "trash" we have here differs much from "trash" there.
That's why we had so many discussions in the past here and on other forums, discussions like " expensive originals not justifying their price " , " those are not deep and good enough " , " local homebrew is much better " ...etc..etc..
Both sides (USA and EU manufacturers) should reconsider these doubts a bit more serious and introduce new line of products, same models, but dedicated to particular teritory or area.
Something like Tesoro did with Vaquero Germania model or XP with Mito model.
I had chance to compare Vaquero USA and Vaquero Germania and those seems are having a bit shifted Disc scales, comparing to each other. XP Mito is dedicated to Italian market and it is a fact that Mito performs much "calmer" than GMP or Gmaxx.
Don't know, most probably there are also other "dedicated" models at other manufacturers.
So, i guess Bliss problem is because it is adjusted for "soft" soils mostly.
Another possible proof is what we saw in that (so many times mentioned) "Beach&Chain" video clip. Bliss detected small golden chain, while Deus, Spectra and Explorer didn't. I knew it is a simple trick, i knew it from the beginning. Deus, Spectra and Explorer are digital machines and have various presets and programs. Switched in a more restrictive program it simply will Reject such small and "bad" alloy. Looking at VDI table we will see why is that so.
On other hand, Bliss will Accept it simply because it is not "restrictive" at all and fact is it is having weak Disc/Geb circuitry.
Explorer properly adjusted in Iron Mask mode would detect such chain just like that. Deus will "eat" it like a joke. I can't tell exact adjustments at Spectra because i don't have experiences with it, but i am sure it can be adjusted too.
So all what Carl have to do is to open Bliss box, locate proper trimmer and readjust it better.
If Carl can't do that - nobody can't!