Jeohunter - Visual Ground Scanner

[WM6]

Dear THer1993 ,

You wrote:-
Just keep in mind that if a deepseeker is not PI, it's a deepseeker for a felo-de-se.
Can you explain what you meant, just for me please?
thanks
Andy

felo-de-se ----> Übeltäter gegen sich selbst ---> Selbstmörder.

But be wary of this statement rather than those "felon": the Pulse Star 2 Pro has been remaining the top machine

[der_fisherman]

Quotation

felo-de-se ----> Übeltäter gegen sich selbst ---> Selbstmörder.

But be wary of this statement rather than those "felon": the Pulse Star 2 Pro has been remaining the top machine

So is this what you mean?:-

Just keep in mind that if a deepseeker is not PI, it's a deepseeker for a suicide.

I still don't get it fully in English (senior moment maybe), give me the complete saying in German please, that might make more sense for me.
Thanks in advance
andy

[WM6]

So is this what you mean?:-

Just keep in mind that if a deepseeker is not PI, it's a deepseeker for a suicide.

I still don't get it fully in English (senior moment maybe), give me the complete saying in German please, that might make more sense for me.
Thanks in advance
andy

How sound this to you:

Denken Sie auch daran, dass, wenn eine tiefe Suchenden-Gerät ist nicht PI, es ist eine tiefe Suchenden-Gerät für eine Selbstzerstörung (oder: Selbstvernichtung).

PS: Nicht (VLF) Sucher-Geraet-Selbstvernichtung aber Schatz-Sucher-Selbstvernictung.

[der_fisherman]

How sound this to you:

Denken Sie auch daran, dass, wenn eine tiefe Suchenden-Gerät ist nicht PI, es ist eine tiefe Suchenden-Gerät für eine Selbstzerstörung (oder: Selbstvernichtung).

PS: Nicht (VLF) Sucher-Geraet-Selbstvernichtung aber Schatz-Sucher-Selbstvernictung.

Thanks for your explanation, I am none the wiser.....maybe I will just give up, thanks anyway....but it makes almost no "real" sense to me in either German or English.
Ich bin auf den Holzweg.....
Tschuss
andy

[WM6]

Thanks for your explanation, I am none the wiser.....maybe I will just give up, thanks anyway....but it makes almost no "real" sense to me in either German or English.
Ich bin auf den Holzweg.....
Tschuss
andy

Hi Andy. Maybe for better understanding you need to read this first:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Literal...ative_language

http://babelfish.yahoo.com/translate...rUrl=Translate

[Funfinder]

Interresting stuff.

I really like tests, I do alot of them myself because I want to measure the worth of a detector under practical conditions.

Don't have this small coil but in that case the result stands and falls by real search experience with the Jeohunter.

This detector is much better than any PI if it comes to heavy mineralized ground and if the 1m coil is used.


I have tested the depth already against the Garrett GTI 1500 with 40cm Excelerator coil that in this constellation is better as the GTI 2500 with "small" coil and it did not found the 0,5kg buried beer-bottle-caps below 2feet in loamy ground.
And the Garrett has 50% sensitivity loss if e-smog is near - comparable with a car that won't start up below 5° celsius! "Not really much worth such product-standards". And alot detectors act the same...


Cannonball test:
The testobject - a 10x10cm plate gives better signal because it's creates more eddy current. And a 300 years buried cannonball has built up an ionic-field so even the Garrett GTI 2500 can find it 50cm below, but only if the ground is not mineralized and plus when there are no powerlines near. The Jeohunter is immune against both of these factors!


However coins and small stuff is not really it's strengh. I found 1cm small buttons 15cm below but with the medium sized coil which is already almost a half meter but it needs more experience with this whole detector.

This detectors strenght is depth under any conditions and I would love to test it with the 1m coil against that so famous Pulse Star 2 PI. Not to forget this PI has no (good) metal disc. and you have to dig everything out. So every MD has its pro and cons.

I don't know how long the tester has used the Jeohunter with small coil before but I doubt it was a very long time. With more experience the results would have been for shure around 15% better. Especially with the small coil it is no problem to search at 100% sensitivity and with special ground balance on noble coins the depth rises up to 30% plus as I've tested already.


This test is a good step into the right direction. But we have to becareful to compare apples with pears. And the coils of the other detectors have been smaller - of course smaller coils are better for small coins.

And the expensive Minelab PI for shure will have good results - but how good will be those results if it comes to heavy mineralized soil and real depth???

The problem in this world is that you should consider as good as all important factors that can influence a result or are crucial for an exact result or to reflect the real value of something - but most of the time alot of them are ignored!!

You can't say a (PI) detector is the best if he is just good under "easy conditions". He may be the best for your subjective personal tasks but not absolute.

Just an example:
The metal gold or platinum is absolute more better than silver because you can buy 10 times the amount of silver for the same money. So even if silver is the best choice for your task, the same amount of gold is better as the same amount of silver (no matter if in weight or volume). But this is now a philosophical topic and would go too far.


I wanna close with 2 things:

1st my personal usage: Even if I could use the much more lightweight 40cm coil GTI1500 I do this just under special conditions. I prefer to use the Jeohunter at flat fields, woods and sites and if there are electricity lines near because it goes much deeper and better there than the other MD.

2nd: I have now a 4m diameter of search-range with my newly modified Jeohunter coil and holder! And I bet I will search 5x faster through a whole soccer-field as a person with a 1m PI frame ever could. And I would be able to find much smaller stuff, the 1m PI frame holder never could. The coils weight is nothing while circulating around the own axis.

But usually I hate to compare apples with pears! I just do this to learn you some respect for the differences and fairness in products-comparision.

But this world is a deep pit full of lies, comercial misuse of truth, betrayal of the very own person, seeing things just how someone likes to see his own things, ignorance and alot more of such stuff.

So believe what you want and test the things the way you like it, I don't care. Because this world of lies and selfishness hates the truth anyway - in this world persons only love personal inrichment bringing stuff, no matter how wrong, evil and full of lies it is!

But of course if our selfish enrichment would be to find out the truth about real deep seeking or flexible, reliable and "good" detectors we have to consider alot factors and capabilities - everything else would distort the overall value of a detector.

We have to rate the real worth of every ability, of every pro and con a detector has and compare this with the most important factors of treasure hunting under reality conditions to find out the most counting result. I will support you in this task - otherwise I wouldn't make all those mods to improve the stuff I've. And otherwise I wouldn't try to get all the needed info about all those special detectors like as example the very good Nexus Ultima - by the way I got now the info, this MD is capable to detect large caves, too.


Anyway, the more true, exact and real useful info we get, the better!

[indio yaqui]

hot rocks

hello funfinder
sir. am goin to a place near the ocean in sonora mexico ,am looking for silver or gold at like 5 to 6 feet in the pass had problems with hot rocks at 5 feet.
my question since am new proud owner of a joehunter what should my settins be for this particular exploration?

i thank you in advance.

ps.around my house here in new mexico at 6 feet with the medium coil detected a propane bottle i buried ,no problem

[THer1993]

Responding to Andy and Funfinder

To Andy:

From my experiences with PI's, these detectors, unlike the non-PI deepseekers, are not affected by mineralization and detect the objects buried really deep. Non-PulseInduction detectors have to be fine tuned (if it's possible) to compensate the ground mineralization. And even if they are ground balanced, you still get lots of false signals, or face a substantial depth lost due to changing levels of mineralization in the ground as you scan it with the search coil. You need to redo the ground balancing every time you get a false signal or every 15 minutes. If you dig up many false signals, in a short while you would be too exhausted to hunt and dig real targets. So if you want to kill yourself by digging numerous shallow and deep holes, the non-PI deepseeker is a good means for that.

To Funfinder:

I don't want to offend you but you like writing a lot of BS. Could you just stick to the point without piling up a ton of philosophical crap? I hoped to read a more specific and argumentative statement from you instead of the same unimportant points ("Joehunter is great", "it's not affected by powerlines", etc.) I asuumed that if you have used this detector for a while, you could give better arguments. It seems you don't have any practical knowledge of many other detectors of the same category (deepseekers - "apples") and other categories (regular coin and relic detectors - "pears").
BTW, Minelab E-Trac is not a PI, it's a Multi-Frequency (28 frequencies) general purpose metal detector.

The US 25-cent coin is not a small coin.

Where are the results of your tests? And the pictures of your valuable finds made with Jeohunter? Ok, the cannonball and various rusty junk pieces have some sentimental value to you, I can understand that. But, as you might be aware, for most people it's just unimportant BS. If you are trying to praise a detector that nobody has seen in action or never heard of, support your praising with photographs of finds that will "speak for themselves".

So far, I've tried only the Jeohunter's smallest search coil (LED System) which is designed especially for coins and small stuff. It didn't perform well and according to what's claimed by its Turkish manufacturer - the Makro Group. I wish they sent me this detector for testing earlier in the fall so I could manage more testing before the snow falls. I haven't tested the Jeohunter's medium and large search coils yet. But I will try to test them as soon as possible, and I do have the Pulse Star II Pro and similar PI detectors with 1m x 1m frame-coils to compare the Jeohunter 3D to. Something is telling me that all the Jeohunter's myths will be busted.

[Funfinder]

Quality Check passed!

@TH1993
Don't call what I write crap! Now I won't read and answer you at all! I recognised your arrogant attitude already enough, WaldWiese.


@ all:

Todays Testresults:

In the morning I finished the new coil holder. It weights a half kg less than the original one and the lenght is up to 2meters (before it had around 1,3m max.)

I created the handle in the most comfortable way. See picture. The flat surface above the fist has soft foam-gum so the fingers have much less work. Alot more detectors - espec. heavy ones - really should have the same!

The Reset button is hidden and pushable without almost any finger movement!



In the afternoon the real test started. Never searched on Dec. 1st - but it paid off.

I've had 3 different long alu-tubes with me and with the smallest it's around the formerly lenght - but of course I used the longest!

Shure, the weight is not easy if the coil is 2m in front of you, but while turing in circles it doesn't matter at all. I have to compute how many square meters I can cover, now within 1 turn that lasts just around 2-3 secs! btw. this would be impossible with a PI and it's slow recovery speed!

I found a WW2 bayonet and alot other things - never found so much stuff just within 3 hours!

The original coil cable is at it's limit but everything worked very well. The ground is high mineralized there but searching at 80% while pressing now and then the reset button was no problem.


With my special search method I can make around 10 squaremeters in just a few sec. and this would never be possible with a small 25cm coil while sweeping slowly from left to right. It's a huge waste of movement-energy, too.



Btw. this thread already is full of alot test results and those are real! And we know already the bad Jeohunter tests of kt315 and this other guy from Turkey who also just compared it without much experience with other MDs to find mainly coins.

I'm not interested to repeat everything again just because all of a sudden some guy makes some tests and thinks he can question everything.

I'm very satisfied with the overall performance of the Jeohunter and if someone prefers other detectors, it's his problem or favour. Calling the manual "incomprehensible babble" and all such sh*t won't help us any further but reflects the character of the person who make such statements. I'm not writing here to have conversation with such persons. No, I tell you my true experience with this detector and if someone else has other experience, his piece of cake.


I still fully can recommend the Jeohunter and I won't sell mine, not even for the complete new-price!

[Funfinder]

hello funfinder
sir. am goin to a place near the ocean in sonora mexico ,am looking for silver or gold at like 5 to 6 feet in the pass had problems with hot rocks at 5 feet.
my question since am new proud owner of a joehunter what should my settins be for this particular exploration?

i thank you in advance.

ps.around my house here in new mexico at 6 feet with the medium coil detected a propane bottle i buried ,no problem

Hi indio yaqui!

WOW, 6feet for a propan bottle with the medium size is a very good depth!
How much was the size / diameter?

About those hot-rocks:
If those are very "hot" I would recommend to use Ground Balance minus 100 or even minus 150. For silver ground balance minus 100 would be better. Good luck to find the treasures and please tell us more about your progress with the Jeohunter.

[indio yaqui]

diametor

the diametor on the propane bottle is like 13" by17 tall.am glad i got me this machine

[geo-i]

joehunter

hello,my friend finder joehunter can you sent me a pictured of recording of your ossilloscope .it to difficult for me to get the target.

[geo-i]

joehunter

hello, my friend finder joehunter can you sent me a visual pictured of recoding of your ossilloscope find , it to difficult for me to get the tunnel target

[geo-i]

joehunter

hello ,my friend finder joehunter can you sent me a visual pictured of recoding of your ossilloscope find

[THer1993]

To Serious People

Jeohunter detector sure finds stuff but misses many deeper targets of real value. Ignorant persons like funfinder and alike are not aware of this fact. But this is even better! Let these "funfinders" clean the good sites off the rusty junk! When real treasure hunters with top notch detectors arrive, they will easily get the valuables left behind by dweebs. And let these "funfinders" live in their own fantasy bubbles! (A WW2 bayonet?! Wow... Gee... these bayonets can be found in numbers without a metal detector, just by eyeballing, in the fields of Eastern Europe!) Oh well, pictures of lame finds as usual... "To Each Its Own!"

I didn't post my test results for dummies and "pussies". I have posted and will post truthful information only for serious people to help them, so they would not be fooled by detector's modern looks, deceiving advertisement, and false (sometimes stupid) statements of "funfinders". If I wouldn't be able to test Jeohunter 3D Dual System at the end of this season due to the upcoming snow, I'll continue testing this "toy" in the early spring. I sure will complete this project. If you can wait for the truth, please do. If not, and you wish to spend big $$$ for the 1980s detector, try the Jeohunter! Just don't be disappointed when you wouldn't be able to surpass the funfinder's level.