blisstool ltc64x v2i

[WM6]

It excels in a cleaner environment where you are looking to dig ALL non-ferrous.

Good one.

Even my Chinese TS-150 with 30cm (12") stock coil "excels in a cleaner environment", probably better than LTC-64.

But TS-150 has 4 controls only in comparison with 13 (!) controls of LTC-64 and was as cheap as 80 euro. I gave it to my nephew, relic hunter, who still praise it a lot.

I can accept Funfinder's "go cheaper" argument and suggest everyone to buy nice and extremly deep TS-150 better than huge overpriced LTC-64.

[Funfinder]

@ ivconic

OK this was a very good answer from you, thx -
for the most stuff I can give you my full ACK, except:

- Low transmission power absolutly is not good:

Otherwise you could detect 1m deep with a cheap 30 Euro
handheld-metaldetector that has a 15cm coil.

With a weak lamp you can't shine through your hand,
but with a powerful CREE LED-lamp you can.

A strong EM-field first has to penetrate the more or less tough
ground mineralisation barricades, reaches the find and creates
a significant different eddy-current field.

What is needed is a receiver-circuit with high selectivity
for this task, but without strong transmission power the
metal object never will create a detectable field at all.

- Price:

If it is not overpriced and worth the engineering-costs etc.
it's OK.

- larger coil:

Bushes and tree-roots and weeds and stuff - have the same
situation here, too at alot places so I fully understand this problem.
But 22,5cm still is too small. Most if not all of such critical ground
blockades are also managable by an at least 33cm coil, especially
if this coil is eliptical.
But it's great that you have the larger coil, too - of course this
is again another financial burden.
If I would get the XP Deus either with the large coil directly
or not at all. 22.5cm is nice for gold-nuggets or very small
medieval or roman coins but not large sites.

Then I suspect the XP Deus has a little design problem:

What is the maximum distance coil - feet you can get?

Because if this thing is that wonderful lightweight I would like
to search with real big radius on open terrain and I don't want
to have the coil remains sticked 50cm near my feets.

So please give me the maximum distance between coil-edge and
toe-tips - not with totally stretched arm, but with relaxed holding.

It was no prejustice with the meteorites, just a question.
But an important one, 'cause almost all modern MDs have
no cavity detection and have heavy problems to detect
stuff that touches ground-mineralisation-level itself like
meteorites or in other words - negative detection values.

If the XP Deus has a very broad Ground Balance range
and is able to detect this stuff, fine -but I wanna know
about how this works exactly and not just some "could work"
rumors.

The broken material of extremly rusty softiron cans as example
can be used to simulate meteorites. Also mineralic stones
with high iron-compound-content. Or perhaps a brick-stone.
How does the XP Deus signalizes such stuff?
by a negative identification value?
And if so, it also should find cavity by "missing mineralisation".

> Thank's for your tips. I am hobbyist from 1987.

And I bought the Fisher 1266-X in the year 1993 and was
not "arrested" by the iron curtain (just joking, I know
Russia etc. built very good stuff, too - they also made alot
fascinating parapsychological experiments).
And I'm shure you could smuggle western MDs from Greece
or Turkey, if we can call those "western".

However - every person has it's own life- and treasure-hunting
preferences and if you finally found your personal best fiting MD
with the XP Deus from oohlala L'amour France, I fully respect it.

btw. I hope the coil is fully waterproof with that accu inside so
you can dip it into rivers etc.

> I agree. We can not know for sure his real reasons, nor we need to know.
> We can only assume and be right or wrong.

Is this a philosophical statement now?
If you are interested I can find out the exact cause.

[ivconic]

"...Low transmission power absolutly is not good..."

I am not saying Deus is having "low tx power", because i don't know that.
To know that i should make my way to TX out and measure it.
It's trivial data for me and most probably i will never do that.

"...I would like to search with real big radius on open terrain and I don't want
to have the coil remains sticked 50cm near my feets..."

No comment!

"...If the XP Deus has a very broad Ground Balance range
and is able to detect this stuff, fine -but I wanna know
about how this works exactly and not just some "could work"
rumors...."

I guess you will have to buy it and see. I can not help you on that.
I never ever tried in my life to search for cavities and meteorites, especially not with VLF/IB.
For such job i can use gradiometer and resistivity meter in case i decide to switch on such "targets".

"..And I bought the Fisher 1266-X in the year 1993 and was..."

I bought my first detector, Arado, in London, 1987.
Later i bought White's Eagle IIc in Munchen, 1992... and so on....and so on... roughly counting; i had approx. 87-90 originals so far.

"...btw. I hope the coil is fully waterproof with that accu inside so you can dip it into rivers etc..."

Yes it is. Often i do dip it into water when crossing creeks.

Is this a philosophical statement now?

No, it is my point of view. I am not very interested in what other people think and do in their lives.
Everybody has own reasons to make certain moves in life.
Not debatable for me.

[Funfinder]

> To know that i should make my way to TX out and measure it.

do that if you like, at least it seems the XP has enough "radiation"
for the relative good depth you have described already.

> No comment!

This is no joke! Found one of the most rare special cannonballs
with the Jeohunter including selfbuilt 1,5m radius!

You can visit sandboxes from kindergartens with your perhaps
50cm radius and 22cm coil but for huge battlefields you will
be lost - I'll guarantee it!
At least the XPs coil is wireless so no stupid make the coil cable longer
problems and the rest is a piece of cake.

> Yes it is. Often i do dip it into water when crossing creeks.

Another plus point.


> I bought my first detector, Arado, in London, 1987.
Later i bought White's Eagle IIc in Munchen, 1992... and so on....and so on... roughly counting; i had approx. 87-90 originals so far.

Holy metal-detector, that beats definitivly everything!

Now you can sell some of those as rare treasures to collectors!

But I had already the Whites 101 some years earlier than '87.
And 1991 a cheap chinese model (blue color and alu pole
directly til the middle of the coil... - crazy stuff )


Anyway - the today MDs still are far from being perfect.

[Ism]

I thought it was mostly about RX, not TX. No matter how hard you beat a bell with a hammer, its only going to ring so loud....to put it simply.

[ivconic]

I thought it was mostly about RX, not TX. No matter how hard you beat a bell with a hammer, its only going to ring so loud....to put it simply.

Correct!

Here; from post #45 and below:

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showt...749#post151749

[Funfinder]

I thought it was mostly about RX, not TX. No matter how hard you beat a bell with a hammer, its only going to ring so loud....to put it simply.

Wrong - if you beat a 5m bell with a little nail you will hear nothing compared to the "WAMMMM!" of a sledgehammer!

Next time we drive a 1m frame PI with a tiny lithium watch cell!

And for shure you just need the power of a car battery for a huge scrapyard electromagnet.


I know.... sound, display, rx, detection analyses circuits - all this stuff needs power, too.

And also I know that we are not needing a longwave broadcast station transmitter every little receiver still can hear 1000 miles away.



But without enough transmission power you will detect nothing - except some earth-magnetical fields, or AM by diode.

btw. This stuff is totally offtopic concerning the Blisstool, because that MD has the needed TX power.

This is all just XP Deus issues because this far too small coil-lipo has to be recharged after almost every single hunting day. Compared to this - the ca. 2000mA Blisstool accu lasts for 7 days or longer and is for the whole detector.

Timewasting discussions here. Period.


http://www.blisstool.com/
is back online again.

Including the info:
Now, as an optional accessory is available and 38 cm (15") DD search coil, model:
- BLISSTOOL DD38SC2 with ~ 1.5 meters cable optimized for LTC64X and LTC64

Optimal for selfbuilt hang around the neck unit! :-)
Otherwise the 38cm coil would be too heavy after some hours anyway.

Ahmed hadn't answered to the german reseller that's why
he (temporarly) took the Blisstool offers from his website.
This was since a few weeks but if Ahmed now's a free man
again everything may be just fine very soon.

[SVEN1]

How many Blisstool units have been delivered?

Just curious, looking at the Blisstool forum site as well as others. Appears over 200 have been ordered and only a few delivered to the US or in the UK. Many have been waiting since Easter time or longer.
Seems like some or many are getting tired of waiting or having second thoughts. Wonder who has everyones pre-order money?
Was hoping to see many more new owners reports and finds with interest....... What's really going on at Blisstool? Not interest in buying one, just wondering..........

[WM6]

Just curious, looking at the Blisstool forum site as well as others. Appears over 200 have been ordered and only a few delivered to the US or in the UK. Many have been waiting since Easter time or longer.
Seems like some or many are getting tired of waiting or having second thoughts. Wonder who has everyones pre-order money?
.

Probably this was reason that one German dealer banned Blisstool from supply and take one other world best Bulgarian detector on his list:

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/b...epscan_eds.htm
.
.

[UFO]

450EU - 700EU is an insane amount of money to spend on such a speculative product.

I think it's some sort of a scam one way or another. Either you get nothing or a crappy detector that you have to constantly "tune". Sounds to be incomplete or obsolete.

All this talk of different soils in UK vs North America is nonsense. North America is Huge, you can find three distinct soil types within 200 meters.

Oh and another thing, the Deus is not finding gold chains on saltwater beaches either, so we can end that right now.
The only "evidence" of a Deus finding gold chains, is posted by the same guy praising them in this very thread.

Clearly he does not have a grasp of how metal detectors work. If you take a gold chain, and ball it up together like that, just about ANY detector will pick it up within a couple of inches.
Even when he "stretched" it out, it still had a "loop" which, again would sound of almost ANY detector.

Most people know the shapes that trick metal detector's discrimination like loops and bent nails.

[UFO]

I will add, if you told me I had to use a Deus or a Blisstool, I think I would pick the Blisstool hands down.

[WM6]

Oh and another thing, the Deus is not finding gold chains on saltwater beaches either, so we can end that right now.

The only "evidence" of a Deus finding gold chains, is posted by the same guy praising them in this very thread.

Probably not the only.

If you open link given in my previous post, you can find test table made by Deus competitor (not from XP and not from Deus owner or XP dealer or supporter).

There are clearly stated that Deus outperform most other brand detectors regarding tiny gold sensitivity. And so even with smaller coil and without stated which Deus program is used to whole or part of test (which mean that it can, maybe, outperform even better with more suitable program used for this "tiny gold" task).

Test on tiny 0.7 gram nugget is very credible tiny gold test in comparison with gold chain test, which can be, as you say, manipulated on different way.

Here excerpt from those test:

[UFO]

Those are some impressive numbers for a few of those machines.

I wonder why they don't have the Gold Bug or a Lobo as they are also similar machines, it would be interesting.

[Funfinder]

Just curious, looking at the Blisstool forum site as well as others. Appears over 200 have been ordered and only a few delivered to the US or in the UK. Many have been waiting since Easter time or longer.
Seems like some or many are getting tired of waiting or having second thoughts. Wonder who has everyones pre-order money?
Was hoping to see many more new owners reports and finds with interest....... What's really going on at Blisstool? Not interest in buying one, just wondering..........

> Appears over 200 have been ordered and only a few delivered to the US or in the UK.

Perhaps too many for a small company where the chief is "disabled" for some weeks.

Ordering online while giving away, transfering the money before you get the product, always is risky!

But I think so far Blisstool always was and still is a reliable firm, Carl also got his detector without problems and in good working condition! Same applies to eventually warranty issues.


@ UFO
> 450EU - 700EU is an insane amount of money to spend on such a speculative product.

This is a well tested and not speculative product! Guys like you and a bunch of fanatic opinion-stalkers here are the only speculative thing!

I have the old LTC64 model since almost 2 years and found great stuff with it! And for alot members here the Blisstool is everything else than speculative, too!

But as long as not everything works as before at Blisstool BG, online ordering could be risky or it may takes some or alot time until new units have been built etc.

The main problem is the EMI sensitivity and the "blocking off" at very high mineralized ground. I really have to make those "detect through brickstones"-tests finally! Anyway, used the right way the Blisstool is a very sensitive instrument for serious tresure-hunters!

[Ism]

Wrong - if you beat a 5m bell with a little nail you will hear nothing compared to the "WAMMMM!" of a sledgehammer!

Next time we drive a 1m frame PI with a tiny lithium watch cell!

And for shure you just need the power of a car battery for a huge scrapyard electromagnet.


I know.... sound, display, rx, detection analyses circuits - all this stuff needs power, too.

And also I know that we are not needing a longwave broadcast station transmitter every little receiver still can hear 1000 miles away.



But without enough transmission power you will detect nothing - except some earth-magnetical fields, or AM by diode.

btw. This stuff is totally offtopic concerning the Blisstool, because that MD has the needed TX power.

This is all just XP Deus issues because this far too small coil-lipo has to be recharged after almost every single hunting day. Compared to this - the ca. 2000mA Blisstool accu lasts for 7 days or longer and is for the whole detector.

Timewasting discussions here. Period.

This is like arguing with a woman. Always an emotionally irrational response to logic.

No matter how much energy the Tx induces into the target, the response from the target is limited by soil, distance, size, shape, and conductivity. After that its up to the Rx circuitry to hear the target response. The ability to saturate the earth with maximum energy required for a target response is no technological marvel. The ability to hear the disipated signal response through background noise is the task that must be overcome. At first I thought you were intelligent and knew what you were talking about but the more you respond to simple arguments, the more you lose credibility. While the Blisstool may be a fine detector and worthy of its place in the market, why do you have to belittle the Deus which is clearly a technological leap forward in detector technology?

Then there's the remark- "Blisstool is simply too complicated for alot rookies compared with the 4 button Deeptech RG Vista 1000 etc."
And-"Anyway, used the right way the Blisstool is a very sensitive instrument for serious tresure-hunters!"

As if anybody who doesn't have one, doesn't stack up. This sounds like a man who buys the large truck or big gun to overcompensate for the lack of size in a different department. Just because it has 13 knobs doesn't make you a more sophisticated user.

Don't be a hater