blisstool ltc64x v2i

[hdphilip]

When i read stuff like this, on this/our forum:

[QUOTE][I won't repeat and repeat infos like a teacher to retarded kids! /QUOTE]



It shows what some people are made of.

but... at the same time it also devaluates all the hard work and time some of us put into making projects and and discussing ideas and posting them on this forum.

Do i want to be a part of a forum that tolerates this ?

This thread needs to be deleated........... and "funfinder" needs to be banned !!!!!!

locking this forum only cements all of the vulgar and hateful comments.

let the owners and salesmen for blisstool go "pimp" there products somewhere else.

maybe a little addition to the terms an agreement needs to be added.............




hdphilip

[Funfinder]

> knowledge is more precious than gold !


Exactly! That's why we are here. For knowledge.
For fair tests, for scientific proofs, for understandable arguments,
for an objective view of facts, for giving each other reliable
information, for working out the pro and contra parameters
of a certain metal detector (his true capabilities), for improving
this stuff or for constructive ideas how to mod it better
(guess who wrote an useful mod. manual for the Blisstool -
I was the only one so far!)

And last but not least for helping each other = cooperation.
Not for opinion-trashing and foul attacks.

We had this already since 2 years - I wrote fair the pro and
contra sides of the Jeohunter and some persons here had
nothing better to do than making evil jokes and diffamating
this detector without any personal experience or insight knowledge.

And the best of all:
Those persons have the guts to blame me and try to make it
look like that what they are doing is just fine.

And of course such behaviour is childish. Because:
If I don't have a certain product I don't diffame it.

As we can read above:

Geotech
Technology for Treasure Hunting

Technology, not opinions and not oh so funny just joking
statements like ivconic's "The Blisstool is total crap!"
Tricky tries to make everything looking harmless afterwards
but it isn't. It just leads to look at every statement of him
with suspect because he could write what he really thinks,
but perhaps he just wants to bind a bear up on our back!

If you read all my posts in this thread you can collect alot
of technical data about the Blisstool - and far not only just
hyping Blisstool is the best MD info. And now compare this
to the posts of other persons here and how much technical
info those are providing. Almost zero!

All what they are doing is interfere, meddle and intrude into
a topic where they have no substancially knowledge about.
But this forum is about knowledge! And Blisstool owners
for shure have more knowledge about this MD and his
performance in real life than opinion-spamers who just
like to read their often very provokative statements plus
the reactions for those.


btw. I don't think this thread has anything to do with LRLs.

It has to do with beeing fair with the judgement of a detector.
And it is easy possible to judge this Blisstool fair, it is no
illusional wonder-machine like a LRL and it is easy testable.

I gave it 75% which is far from being a perfect good MD.
Explainable 75%. But if we read through some older posts
of this thread - what I personally absolutly can not understand
is this total enmity against the Blisstool some persons have shown.

Such postings are no longer connectet with fair and open
or in other words democratic view of things but a condemnation
and a witch-hunt. Here in this thread are for shure some people
who wanna see the Blisstool lying smashed on the ground.

But this is not the reason of this forum - neither promotion nor
choping unliked detectors into pieces just by personal opinions.


I suggest from now on we keep the personal opinion stuff out
of this thread and only technical information, test results and
other really knowledge related Blisstool material gets provided.

[Qiaozhi]

> I suggest from now on we keep the personal opinion stuff out of this thread and only technical information, test results and
other really knowledge related Blisstool material gets provided.

That's what I was trying to tell all of you earlier.
Please stick with technical facts and don't let it get personal.

[der_fisherman]

That's what I was trying to tell all of you earlier.
Please stick with technical facts and don't let it get personal.

Well said both of you, personal attacks are out, out and a bit more OUT!!!!!

[ivconic]

"...Technology, not opinions and not oh so funny just joking
statements like ivconic's "The Blisstool is total crap!"
Tricky tries to make everything looking harmless afterwards
but it isn't. It just leads to look at every statement of him
with suspect because he could write what he really thinks,
but perhaps he just wants to bind a bear up on our back!..."

You are understanding very well my attitude upon this subject.
It is just as you elaborated.
Sometimes i simply must say my word but at the same time i don't want to offend nobody.
How to achieve that? By "sublimating" it through some joke.
I really don't have nothing against You nor Bliss author, i swear.
But i know that Bliss is not even half that good as you people are trying to persuade us here.
How i know this?
I am, first of all; very "old" md user. Second i am very "old" diy'er.
I made Magnum, i made Wave, i made several variations of Wave already.
I experimented with it. And be sure i do know it and do understand it very well.
So you can fool somebody else - but not me.
Ok, even so, i wouldn't join this topic at all - IF!
IF there was not that extremly stupid and lying video promotive "test" with Explorer, Spectra, Deus and Bliss on the beach with chain.
That was my ONLY REASON to join here and to react.
I already explained my reasons, maybe dozen times here on this exact topic.
But seems nobody ever tried to read and accept that.
So ok, i see Carl is already objecting, Qiaozhi is objecting, other people here also are not satisifed with what we write here, so i don't want to provoke more troubles and from this very moment i will not come here again to post a word.
I already said what i have to say and that's all.
Funfinder don't take me as "enemy" nor malicious.
Like i said: i consider you as forum pal with which i can talk and mostly disagree.
Not a big deal!
Regards!

[Qiaozhi]

I already said what i have to say and that's all.
Funfinder don't take me as "enemy" nor malicious.
Like i said: i consider you as forum pal with which i can talk and mostly disagree.
Not a big deal!
Regards!

= no
= yes

[Daniel Tn]

Here is a video I did here in the States. I was pretty impressed with it on this site...VERY mineralised soil here. This is a real world hunt...you will hear targets on the Bliss before being dug...and then what the targets were. We also had an XP Deus on this hunt as well. I already know what is coming...some are going to say "it wasn't setup correctly". Well for that I will give you the settings we were using on it.

http://youtu.be/Nx-Xe6xTjSs

Here were the Deus settings. We started in GM Power mode and plugged in these changes from a friend of ours who has a LOT more time on the Deus than we do, and has been able to get it to go very deep in this type soil:

If it's an open area .not alot of iron around then 12Khz works well for all conductor's..buttons and bullet's..
keep the reactivity at 2 or even 1 for alittle more depth if no iron is around...if there's alot of iron use 2-3 reactivity...

I keep the silencer on -1 for a more raw report of the target...At -1 it get's no filter's on the signal...

Set disc at about 5 ..2 tone low tone will be 202 hz and high tone just put it as high as it will go ...like 700 hz I believe it is..

Ground balance I use pumping just pump coil up and down and it will set it for you...it will show the actual setting and the ground reading while running so you can tell if you need to readjust...run it alittle negative to get depth ..hot rocks will have a double wah wah sound...

Real deep target's can sound like ground noise till learned you will also get a slight iron buzz on the signal on deeper target's.....Depth is about like a T2 s.e. in disc when on 12Khz...the 4 khz is the deepest for bullet's but takes awhile to get accustomed to the deep sound and get the sweep speed right..bullet's past a foot are able to be found but takes more time to learn that sound and nuances to get them...I can get a burried quarter at 15 inches ..one of the few machines to hit it without chasing iron also...8 khz does well on bullet's also and is easier to learn on till attacking the 4 khz finicky mode...deep but finicky..

No notching.\

Sens about 90 or so ...

Set iron volume about 3 ...Audio response at about 2-3..that's the audio amp...if it's at 5 deep stuff sound like surface stuff..2-3 gives it modualtion/depth perception...

The slower you set the reactivity the slower you can sweep the coil and get depth...ultra deep target's will be heard at zero reactivity.. 8 or 4Khz -1 silencer slow sweep...

---------------

With that said...it was impressive that the Deus was getting ANY signal on these bullets in this particular field. It is VERY mineralised and many detectors have failed to do well there. Usually the pulse machines are the only ones to really do that great there...just to be able to go over 5 inches in it is a HUGE under taking with a VLF machine.

[UFO]

May I ask if you are a Metal Detector dealer? You seem to have access to all the newer machines for your videos.

So would you consider it a good machine for the money?(Assuming you are not a dealer)

Or is it good because all of the trim pots that are normally mounted on the circuit board, are now mounted on the dash? (allowing you to fine tune to any condition.)

Seems to me you could take an average detector and mount all the pots externally, you would have a Blisstool.

Thanks for the video.

[Daniel Tn]

I am not a dealer for any thing. I'm not a distributor either. I'm not on anybody's payroll nor have I received any compensation for making posts on forums or by videos I do. I get my machines like anybody else does...save my own money and buy them. I just happen to have a good test site available and like playing and testing machines.

I am a CNC machinist and in my spare time I relic hunt and fish. I don't know what makes the Blisstool handle the bad soil the way that it does. I'm not interested in the why or how...I just know some of the posts I've read here are based entirely out of speculation and not off of actual in the field facts. I'm just here to throw the truth in the mix. I've not seen a VLF machine that handled this well in bad soil. I've not tried ALL machines but out of the VLFs I've tried, it certainly handles the soil better than any I've tried in disc mode. Some were good in motion all metal but the Bliss was set in disc mode at almost minimum gain to allow for proper ground balance.

[WM6]

Thanks for video Daniel.

Evidently Blisstool LTC64 is very good bullets detector.

Regretfully I am not interesting in bullets at all. Bullets are only trash for me. Tons of those II WW trash here. Terrible trash. Nobody, even military hunters, are no longer interesting to collect bullets.

Can you prepare test on natural gold? On genuine gold nugget of about 1gram (nuggets from 0.60 gram to 1.4gram would be ok)?

[Daniel Tn]

I don't have any gold specimens larger than .36 of a gram. In my part of the States we don't have larger gold. Thus my need for a detector to find small gold is non existing. What I do have an abundance of is natural high iron content soil. Thus why most VLFs suffer here vs pulse machines that handle it very well.

If natural gold was what I was after, I would think digging ALL non ferrous would be a wise decision. All of the serious gold prospectors that I know, don't use any discrimination and dig everything. In the western US in the desert areas, prospectors find WAY more bullets than gold...but they must dig them to keep from missing gold...thus a machine that goes deep on bullets would also go deep on gold.

Like I say, I am a relic hunter and the minie ball bullets are still good finds here. Worth about a dollar each in fired condition. More if dropped. I've dug about 150 with the Bliss so far. If I sold my relics...that is way more profitable than coin hunting lol

[Funfinder]

Mineralized ground test & videos

As pronounced here now the mineralized ground test(s):

http://www.qooy.com/files/1CRJY1ZXGK...ineralized.rar
38MB, containing 4 short movies and 7 pix


Settings:
- Ground balance manual - rudely @ 7 (from 10)
- No discrimination
- disc level 3

- silencer @ 9
- threshold @ 1 and @ 5

The tuna-can with 8cm (3'' plus) diameter bottom up was at 25cm
(10'') and the canadian silver dollar, 1 oz. and 4cm (1.5'' plus)
diameter was at 15cm (6'').



You can draw your own conclusions but my personal fazit is:

Hunting at very high mineralized ground is a problem for the
Blisstool unless it is not a relative big object.

Sweeping the coil too close to the ground may lead to false
signals if not done with extreme care and very slow.

Sweeping the coil 10cm above the ground works - in that
case you will get no false beeps or double beeps, but of
course reduces alot depth.

In the videos the coil was moved sometimes up to 20cm
above the surface. No problem for the tuna-can. but the
coin was just detectable from 10cm above ground
(total distance 25cm).


Of course under real search conditions you may find
seldom ground conditions heavy like that - perhaps
if there is volcanic stuff, black sand or heavy loam.

And those bricks I have used are not all completly the same.
But my test area is compact and contains bricks down to 50cm
all over and not just a few are on the floor.

Because in the first place I want good test results that's why
I'm interested in good test conditions, too. Now it's clear that
the Blisstool can penetrate even very high mineralized ground
and does not just detect this ground with double-beeps - BUT:

small stuff is a problem because of the needed higher coil-ground
distance and so alot overall depth gets lost. Working at higher
threshold level under such conditions either needs alot training
or can lead to failure-signals.

The max. detection distance for the 8cm tuna-can was ca. 50cm
(25cm bricks, 25cm air). Air only would have been ca. 75cm.

Btw: the Blisstool with 11'' coil is still deeper than the
Garrett GTI 1500 with 18'' coil - this has been tested very far
away from e-smog and at middle mineralized ground.
But the Blisstool is not that lightweight as my modified
hang around the neck GTI and doesn't cover so much ground -
thats why I prefer the GTI in steep areas - but not all the time.

An experienced Blisstool user will find 50% deeper targets
compared to a beginner who may even get mad or crazy
by that erratic background chatter or works therefore at
minimum threshold level which of course leads to less
sensitivity. You can compare this in the videoclips too,
you can see 2 tests @ threshold 1 and 2 tests @ th. 5.


PS
Perhaps now I will wait for 1 week until my next answer here
and then I'll check out what was written in this time. If I should
still see almost only postings without any technical information
and instead just continuing bla bla bla and opinions and all this
other offtopic stuff, I may find the needed final solution to that.

[UFO]

Get over yourself already.

[Qiaozhi]

I've not tried ALL machines but out of the VLFs I've tried, it certainly handles the soil better than any I've tried in disc mode. Some were good in motion all metal but the Bliss was set in disc mode at almost minimum gain to allow for proper ground balance.

I'm beginning to wonder if the Blisstool's ability to go deep in mineralized soil has something to do with the DISC bias setting. There have been a lot of comments concerning the "chattery" nature of this detector, which seems to imply that the DISC channel does not cancel unwanted targets as strongly as other detectors. In effect, it would weaken the DISC mode, allowing it to work where most detectors would need to be in all-metal. This could be why all the demos we see are in pasture land, or users who are satisfied with the detector seem to be relic hunters.

[WM6]

PS
Perhaps now I will wait for 1 week until my next answer here
and then I'll check out what was written in this time. If I should
still see almost only postings without any technical information
and instead just continuing bla bla bla and opinions and all this
other offtopic stuff, I may find the needed final solution to that.

Don't waste, dear Funfinder, your precious time here with all those, as you say, "bla bla bla". Better go for further development one of your great invention ideas, par example this one:

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18973

or your great "Turning in circles" invention:

http://www.geotech1.com/forums/showpost.php?p=139352&postcount=366"

Btw, how did you measure mineralisation of your "seldom heavy ground conditions". By "fun-finger" or did you use some sort of instrument?