field test unit no 001 "model T"

[Doug2]

Doug, Minelab use high Q coils but most of the science taught here on Geotech relies on low Q coils so would a high Q coil make a significant difference to any of these?? Do we see a significant improvement if we fit a high Q Minelab coil to a GS4 GS5 or TDI? You said you couldn't tell the difference when the QED was fitted with a low Q coil but it seems you are now obsessed with high Q coils? We can increase Q by just simply increasing diameter but it seems you aren't interested in this? And this... we can improve Q by using wire with many more strands???? And this... we can improve Q with more turns of the same wire???? And at the end of the day a significantly higher Q coil requires circuit changes to work properly in a mL PI and a PI detector doesn't automatically sample earlier if we lower the capacitance so no real advantage in either case. You are just nit picking about stuff you don't understand Doug.

Maybe so parrot But spider wound coils are are far better alternative than ANY of the above methods!!!

[Paul99]

No! Prove me wrong !Please tell us all what data and what "parameters" I should have measured and why! ie please tell us how YOU would go about testing a new coil type ie what testing protocol YOU would follow and why and what " parameters" YOU would measure and why and how YOU would measure them and then evaluate and compare them with existing commercial coils.

Doug, for once in your life why don't you answer with science and logic. Why don't you tell the members what coil the builder of that spider wound coil used on his own detector after playing with the spider wound coil?

[robby_h]

Doug,

Minelab use high Q coils but most of the science taught here on Geotech relies on low Q coils so would a high Q coil make a significant difference to any of these??

Do we see a significant improvement if we fit a high Q Minelab coil to a GS4 GS5 or TDI?

You said you couldn't tell the difference when the QED was fitted with a low Q coil but it seems you are now obsessed with high Q coils?

We can increase Q by just simply increasing diameter but it seems you aren't interested in this?

And this... we can improve Q by using wire with many more strands????

And this... we can improve Q with more turns of the same wire????

And at the end of the day a significantly higher Q coil requires circuit changes to work properly in a mL PI and a PI detector doesn't automatically sample earlier if we lower the capacitance so no real advantage in either case.

You are just nit picking about stuff you don't understand Doug.

[Doug2]

So you pulled the test results out of your behind. Thought so!!

No! Prove me wrong !Please tell us all what data and what "parameters" I should have measured and why! ie please tell us how YOU would go about testing a new coil type ie what testing protocol YOU would follow and why and what " parameters" YOU would measure and why and how YOU would measure them and then evaluate and compare them with existing commercial coils.

[Paul99]

The coil was superior in depth, sensitivity to any commercial mono of equivalent diameter over typical goldfield ground in Vic!!! That's all that matters and all that really counts at the end of the day!

So you pulled the test results out of your behind. Thought so!!

[Doug2]

You are the one making the claim, Doug, so lets see you actually put up for once. What parameters did you measure to identify that this spider wound coil was "far superior to any commercial coil". Instead of talking out your behind with unfounded statements, present what methodology you used and the data collected that allowed you to make the statement you have made. In other words, as you are wont to say, "put up or shut up!" Note Doug, I did not say "coil parameters".

The coil was superior in depth, sensitivity to any commercial mono of equivalent diameter over typical goldfield ground in Vic!!! That's all that matters and all that really counts at the end of the day! What other "parameters" should i have measured and why?

[Paul99]

What coil parameters should I have measured and why?

You are the one making the claim, Doug, so lets see you actually put up for once. What parameters did you measure to identify that this spider wound coil was "far superior to any commercial coil".

Instead of talking out your behind with unfounded statements, present what methodology you used and the data collected that allowed you to make the statement you have made. In other words, as you are wont to say, "put up or shut up!"

Note Doug, I did not say "coil parameters".

[Doug2]

I notice you are, as usual, ignoring any queries thrown your way Doug. How about you show us your technical mettle and present the data you would have to have collected to state categorically that a spider wound coil is "far superior to any commercial coil". Just more of your unfounded BS derived from wishful fantasising.

What coil parameters should I have measured and why?

[Doug2]

I notice you are, as usual, ignoring any queries thrown your way Doug. How about you show us your technical mettle and present the data you would have to have collected to state categorically that a spider wound coil is "far superior to any commercial coil". Just more of your unfounded BS derived from wishful fantasising.

Patches Junior is the one ignoring my questions! We can all understand why you are trying to protect him! The spider wound mono performed BETTER than any commercial coil in the field over typical gold field ground in Vic and that is ALL that matters!!!

[Paul99]

So what! The spider wound coils I have tested were far superior to any commercial coil! Now for the interest of members here could you please answer my earlier questions on coil Q and related matters.And please don't try and run away with your silly diversions! I say that you simply don't have a clue! Now prove us all wrong! Show us all your technical mettle!

Tell us all about the rigorous testing processes you went through to reach your conclusions Doug, and define the performance parameters that were so much better! Now this will be interesting!!

I notice you are, as usual, ignoring any queries thrown your way Doug. How about you show us your technical mettle and present the data you would have to have collected to state categorically that a spider wound coil is "far superior to any commercial coil". Just more of your unfounded BS derived from wishful fantasising.

[Doug2]

Doug here is a partial quote from Moodz on your forum. I took out about half of it so you will not start crying about your copyright crap. So you sticking by your own words on the price and difficultly of building, or you calling Moodz a liar?

So what! The spider wound coils I have tested were far superior to any commercial coil! Now for the interest of members here could you please answer my earlier questions on coil Q and related matters.And please don't try and run away with your silly diversions! I say that you simply don't have a clue! Now prove us all wrong! Show us all your technical mettle!

[PATCHES JUNIOR]

Coils are already far too expensive!Spider wound or basket weave coils would be vastly more expensive for the reasons you describe.

Doug here is a partial quote from Moodz on your forum. I took out about half of it so you will not start crying about your copyright crap.

Doug .... I made this coil because it is easy and cheap to make ...and a coil can be completely manufactured in around half an hour to an hour plus 24 hours to cure. I never said it was better than a commercial coil except that I can make em cheaper ... Reasonably I could sell these at say 100 bucks ... Which is fair to all. Moodz

So you sticking by your own words on the price and difficultly of building, or you calling Moodz a liar?

[Davor]

Guess there is a new "patent" on the way. Something deepest ever

[Aziz]

Please ignore sido and continue the job as usual!
Maybe more harder and more controversial this time.
^sif

[sido]

Being accused of being one of them.....I would wonder what that is.........and WHY asking a simple question causes a head full of headfr----cks,,,,Not hard to figure it out, me thinks

Circus is in town I would say for toooooo long.......and have overstayed and expressed their negative propaganda.

All we hear is....Blaaaaa....Blaaaaaaaa.Blaaaaaaaaaa.

PS, the best detector in any field is the actual physical unit being used at present (TODAY), with or without positive results,,,,,attached with supportive documented data....Negative or Positive, let it bee.....Not let it be decided on a few min----nute individuals...

STOP being half a-s-s-s-s, semi-encrypted, Bu****ttte contributers that means nothing ATM, past and present.

Enough said

Sid