TESORO GOLDEN SABRE

[ivconic]

Yes, as you say, and maybe Nexus will be Exus before to be seen.
Are you notice on Mr. Uzmans (Imperator) solution that only RX coil is shielded and central point of TX coil is grounded together with RX shielding (and one end of RX coil too)?

It is usuall to make central point at some coils, and wire it to gnd, due full symetry in TX signal.And it is also usuall to see that in old,obsolete designs where RX electronic (front end) lacks, due poor design or simillar.
Also omiting farady cage on TX could be the reason of its great instabillity.
I havent knew that, i never opened that coil!? Also i havent seen patent you are talking about. It evolved in a sort of prejudice in my mind; once i got disapointed in some detector, i never retreive my interests on it again.
My first (and last) "meeting" with Imperator was full with bad results so i never again been interested in it, at all.
About Nexus....for now i will take Quiaozhi's words as starting point to judge about it. In near future i expect to get Nexus on test, than we will see...

[WM6]

Can't really say, havent seen Nexus yet. Looking forward to.

Yes, as you say, and maybe Nexus will be Exus before to be seen.
Are you notice on Mr. Uzmans (Imperator) solution that only RX coil is shielded and central point of TX coil is grounded together with RX shielding (and one end of RX coil too)?

[ivconic]

Probably trimer was TR coil tunning trimer capacitor (C Nr.: 6 & 8 - see picture below) from M. Uzmans patent:



Interesting that Nexus, as described by now, use very similar (out of the common) working and tunnig principles (busted TR signal, resonating coils) as described in M. Uzmans Patent (see sample clipping from MU Pat below) and patently applied in Atlantis Imperator machine. Finally OO and DD coil are practically in working and tunning principles the same. So, can we make inferences that Atlantis Imperator and Nexus are more kin by blood than admitted?

Can't really say, havent seen Nexus yet. Looking forward to.

[WM6]

hi all
I saw to get 4.7 Bipolar capacitors 2x10 mf connection like below picture
regards
Erol

erolunall try this to get from two 10uF one bipolar appr. 4,7uF:

------+l]-----¤-----[l+------

serial not paralel connection

[WM6]

What you mean by "cold" coil?

It is interesting, to compare different coil types before making them. It will be also interesting, to compare omega with concentric coil. I will do this, when I have more time.

"cold" coil mean "free in air" - not to circuits/source connected coil.

Yes Aziz, excellent work, but there are many outer influences to coil that have to be computed (e.g. coil shielding) in reality. Only real input (connection to real coil and changing/tunning/loading it) can give you results near to reality in use. Limited theoretical inputs can give you only limited results somewhat far from reality, but very impressive to observe.

I think a great deal of you, but for practical needs, there is better to use sweep generator and scope or cheap digital USB scope ($100) with spectrum analyzer and connect real coils to it and play/tunning with and observe position and form of curve (f, amplitude, Q, damping etc) on display.

If you can make an interface between your application and real coil and capture real data, then you can get full practical value out of your application. Best wishes to your approach.

[erolunall]

hi all
I saw to get 4.7 Bipolar capacitors 2x10 mf connection like below picture
regards
Erol

[WM6]

Atlantis Imperator

... I was confused regarding Imperator md!? There is trimmer on pcb. Havent analyzed its rolle there,havent enough time to do that. ...

Probably trimer was TR coil tunning trimer capacitor (C Nr.: 6 & 8 - see picture below) from M. Uzmans patent:



Interesting that Nexus, as described by now, use very similar (out of the common) working and tunnig principles (busted TR signal, resonating coils) as described in M. Uzmans Patent (see sample clipping from MU Pat below) and patently applied in Atlantis Imperator machine. Finally OO and DD coil are practically in working and tunning principles the same. So, can we make inferences that Atlantis Imperator and Nexus are more kin by blood than admitted?

[ivconic]

ivkonic: "I opened it and spoted funny pcb, but descent populated with compnents... Coil is large and pretty well designed. Actually i mostly like coil design and plastic quality they used...But overalll - poor very poor performances..."

Coil you mentioned was obviously patented (see Azizs previous DeepTech link) by Mustafa Uzman, the seller of MD Atlantis Imperator on eBay.

Regarding HQ pots on your photos not to cheap made MD such Imperator?

Certainly not cheap. I was confused regarding Imperator md!? There is trimmer on pcb. Havent analyzed its rolle there,havent enough time to do that. But since it was very unstabile on soil i tried to do something, turned that trimmer and try to see if it has some influence on GEB. No, i havent spoted any difference.Also GEB pot, it has such low influence on geb? I will repeat, md with that coil is very "deep" in air, testing it with coins and simillar items, but as coil lowered to ground,it starts to produce to much falses, it is not possible to distinguish between real targets and fakes. Shame.
Device was brand new at the time. Its owner just bought it and that was almost first real testing, no doubts about that md was possibly broken. Absolutelly not.

[Aziz]

Hi Aziz
Interesting, congratulation, and hope usable in measurement not only programming toys.
But what is input parameters (how coil shape is influenced in visual xyz results?)?
What happen if you put third cold coil somewhere in field, can you to define it?
Thanks

What you mean by "cold" coil?

I can do many transmit (TX) coils, as needed. The magnetic strength field is a vector field (has strength and direction). On the pictures above, the direction is not displayed. I put 10 turns and and a drive current of 1 A for both coils (not relevant at the moment).

It is interesting, to compare different coil types before making them. It will be also interesting, to compare omega with concentric coil. I will do this, when I have more time.

[WM6]

M Field

Hi Aziz
Interesting, congratulation, and hope usable in measurement not only programming toys.
But what is input parameters (how coil shape is influenced in visual xyz results?)?
What happen if you put third cold coil somewhere in field, can you to define it?
Thanks

[Aziz]

Next: another view of magnetic field strength of same coil above.

[Aziz]

Thanks for the description and visualisation. I know now what omega coil is.
For all, who are interested on magnetic field strength distribution, see picture below. I should make more simulations in the future.
Aziz

[WM6]

Omega Coil

Another view:

[WM6]

Atlantis Imperator

ivkonic: "I opened it and spoted funny pcb, but descent populated with compnents... Coil is large and pretty well designed. Actually i mostly like coil design and plastic quality they used...But overalll - poor very poor performances..."

Coil you mentioned was obviously patented (see Azizs previous DeepTech link) by Mustafa Uzman, the seller of MD Atlantis Imperator on eBay.

Regarding HQ pots on your photos not to cheap made MD such Imperator?

[Fred]

I like this actor. Really. From Terminator and further. What was his name? Patrick...and something?
Not possible that i remind you on him!?

Hi,
It´s Robert Patrick.
Yes on the picture you sent IMHO you really ressemble him (or the contrary ).
From Terminator he was made of metling metal.Are you ? bad for detecting...
Regards
Fred.